some drug dealers or drug barons out there are decent people , with all being said

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El_Cuatro_Veinte
If they were decent people, they wouldnt sell hard drugs. Hard drugs destroy peoples lives and the people around them. These people manipulate the lower class. They also treat farmers like shit. Business is Business and violence is bad for business.
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Siskiyou_Kid
Tobacco and alcohol kill far more people and ruin far more lives than processed narcotics ever will, yet plenty of decent tiendita owners sell these products, throughout the world.

It is simply a matter of supply and demand for a given product, and business is business, whether it's legal or illegal.
Those that say, don't know. Those that know, don't say.
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aliasrojo
 I agree kid. I could not have said that better.
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P@RR@ND3RO
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I agree with you 100% on what you said about coronel. Thats why till this day in durango they still miss him.
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El Doble J
I’ll play the devils advocate on this one for dialog purposes. People here need to understand that when you literally have zero opportunities to progress in life one decides the life that is presented to you. Have any of you been to the sierras where the majority of these capos come from? There’s not much to look forward to there. It’s either live poor for the rest of your life or go into the family business as growers. None of these cats grew up glamorizing athletes, educators, etc. because they are constantly reminded that those are dreams that cannot be reached. What does your dad tell you if you’re even lucky to have one? This is what you will do, referring to the growing business, and from that you will survive.  

Now we’re all adults here and are responsible for our actions and decisions. This country seems to have an abundant amount of persons that lack the comprehension of ownership. And it all starts since we’re young blaming others for our shortcomings. I firmly believe that drug use in this country is solely each individual’s responsibilities, both as parents and consumers. Now do I think drugs are harmful? Yes, but so are alcohol and tobacco which kill plenty of people on a daily basis. Yet we’re all just fine with that…go figure.

Now are capos bad? Sure but one needs to understand that these cats are like any CEO running a fortune 500 company. The difference being one sends people to get killed and the other just fires them. There’s no comparison among them but each is responsible for providing resources to those that require them. How do you guys think this country was able to conquer territory after territory? It wasn’t being nice I’ll tell you that. Till this day we invade countries and impose our ideals of democracy for what? Our government, just like those before ours in history, have done equal or more harm to humanity than these guys.

I’m not defending them I just can’t judge someone as being evil for doing something to better themselves whether it’s illegal or not. I’ll let the higher power bring judgment upon them when the time comes. Fire off guys that’s why I played the devils advocate!
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Tijuano
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scottlogistics wrote
i think its some guys out there that just wanna sell drugs , make a lot of money , & avoid violence

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2. chapo guzman , ... i noticed something about sinaloa cartel , you hardly ever saw beheading videos or execution videos by cds
The fact they didn´t pop up videos like Zetas/CDG doesn´t mean they didn´t behead and execute people, how do you think they get rid of their enemies?

CDS heated up A LOT of plazas, the first time they tried to get TJ circa 1999 they (Vicentillo) killed innocent people just to heat up Tijuana for CAF.

ALL cartels are criminals, all of them have killed innocent people, all of them have cells that have extorted people, even CDS.

Chapo is not different to other criminal leaders, he will kill all your family if that makes him get an extra dollar or an extra plaza.

Sure, Zetas and KT mess a lot more with people, but that doesn´t mean this guys dont.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
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C&S
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Good points double j. Some quick insight. When are they going to establish laws that regulate what is used to enhance agricultural production or to enlarge animals at a fast rate. Hormones, pesticides, fertilizers, genetically modified organisms and countless others have depleted the health of hundreds of million people. There is a reason why thyroid, colon, prostate cancer is on the rise, drastically too. The avg senior spends over 9k on medication.  Common sense people. Domino effect with the meds. This helps high blood pressure but side effect is that it may alter your digestive system process food. This medication helps your stomach but may trigger heart burn. This is for your thyroid but weakens your bone density giving you osteoporosis. People who trust specialist, surgeons, doctors do not know the harm they are doing to themselves, some uneducated or some ignorant. Drug users know they are snorting or blowing smoke, injecting. There is a difference. In terms of mexico sit back and watch globalization continue to rape that country and take advantage of its people. I personally know people that have worked for candidates and have said my monthly salary is about 30k pesos / month but my bonus is 10k dollars. Wink wink. So many people fail to open their eyes. These are words from a university educated bilingual never done a drug individual living in the central valley of California.  O and sorry to burst many of your bubbles. I know of people who have contributed to weapons sent to many auto-defensas and many here don't necessarily have legit means of how they make a living. Therefore, many of them one way or another are involved. But to sugar coat and manipulate they simply say its a donation. Ha.
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TexcocoDeMora
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Greed is the main source of violence. All the cartels want to control everything that's why there is violence.
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777
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I wouldn't exactly call Chapo a "decent" man. Here is an excerpt from an article published in El Universal and other news outlets.


"Dijo que no es rico -"ese es un invento de Forbes"- pero las autoridades informaron que le incautaron tres relojes de a 150 mil dólares cada uno, 16 casas, 47 vehículos y señalan que cada tres días una mujer, apodada La Michelle, le llevaba una adolescente de entre 13 y 16 años de edad, quien recibía 100 mil pesos por un día de trabajo sexual."

Translation:

"He said he wasn't rich - "it was a made up story by Forbes magazine" - but authorities informed him that they had confiscated 3 watches, each with an estimated value of 150 thousand dollars, 16 houses, 47 vehicles, and they indicated that every three days a woman nicknamed La Michelle would take a teenage girl between the age of 13 and 16, and that she (girl) would receive 100,000 pesos for a day of sexual work."


If Chapo is a decent man then I'm sure people would have no problem with Chapo babysitting their kids!

JMO

http://www.eluniversalmas.com.mx/columnas/2014/02/105771.php

http://www.elsiglodetorreon.com.mx/noticia/966296.el-chapo-hablo-en-el-avion.html





Creepy Fact: Age of Consent State of Sinaloa - 12



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_North_America

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Pariente
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I agree Tijuano,
While I do think Chapo was the lesser of some evils he was only good to you if you supported his structure. You can ask people in Chihuas, TJ, NL, TAMPS etc etc, if you were with him I am sure he was good to you. If you were not like everyeone says I am sure he would not hesitate to have you wacked. They do prefer the plata over plomo approach but they are just as cut throat as anyone out there. While CDS had very few execution videos, there were some out there at the begining of the war between GN and la Linea and there were some when CDS broke away in the Federation split with Beltran Leyvas, alot of people were killed during those years and not all of them deserverd to go out like that.
That being said, the whole approach of coming up from nothing to something I respect and not all people who choose the occupation to move weight are evil. Everyone needs their fix, that being legal or illegal. Like Kid said alcohol, tobacco kill far more people than some illegal drugs. There are alot of people on both sides of the border that have benefited fromt the drug trade, it's helped generate a economy and legit businesses have evolved from it.
" La palabara es plata, el silencio es oro "
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Bjeff
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Really?

decent
ˈdiːs(ə)nt/Submit
adjective

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conforming with generally accepted standards of respectable or moral behaviour.
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antonyms: indecent
not likely to shock or embarrass others.
"a decent high-necked dress"
informal
sufficiently clothed to see visitors.
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2.
of an acceptable standard; satisfactory.
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deelucky1
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Have any of you heard of the term what you dont see wont hurt you kind of explains why some people can say chapo is the good guy there is no decent in organized crime when narcos say nostros no matamos inocentes dont take theyre word literraly corridos can paint a diffrent picture of these guys making them sound like everysingle one of them is malverde bandidos generosos as if they are fighting for a cause i guess you can say money is the root of all evil
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carwreck
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If there are drug traffickers out there who are "nice" guys and avoid violence, you will probably never hear of them. It's a violent business so I imagine if you don't want to be violent you would have to be very low key, cause competitors would probably want to kill you if they know you exist, especially if you're an easy non-violent target. In the Mafia, even the "nicest" bosses are basically dirtbags. If you want to be a "nice" drug dealer, grow weed.