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Up in arms over Fast & Furious......

Pinchegringo
Here is my question, however!

The Fast & Furious program allowed roughly 1,400 high powered automatic and semi automatic guns to walk across the border.  Although that number is obviously quite a bit, 1,400 guns isn't enough to go around to ALL of the cartels.

With the confiscated and seized guns, guns picked up by dead DTO members etc., how is it that ALL of the cartels are so well armed?  It's not like any of the cartels are using BB guns so where else are these guns originating from?

Anyone have any info on this?  Thanks in advance!
jp
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jp
This post was updated on .
US gun Stores do not sell automatic weapons as a rule except for Pre ban
 weapons and they are rare. The only way Mexico as a country gets auto weapons like M-16 M-10 M-60 is through the US State Department.

There have been stories that the Mexican military and police agencies have a problem of misplacing or losing the weapons in their care. That is where the US automatics are coming from. There is a Wikileaks memo on that issue. Unfortunately Our Sec. State blew it off as she wanted the number of US guns in Mexico at the advertized 90%.
 The AK's are coming from various sources Some SEMI autos from the US. The FULL autos are coming from the Mexican Southern border and overseas.

It is interesting to see the photos of the weapons that are posted on the border blogs. RPG's do not come from the US they come from down south of you probly from Hugo Chavez via the Mid East.

There is written somewhere that 17% or less of the guns come from the US stores take away gunwalker and straw purchase guns are very low %

A good friend of mine  had his gun shop broken in to many guns were taken along with some equipment. Some were found in Mexico these were mostly bolt action custom hunting rifles. some still needing repairs.
Some had been in families for generations.
The bottom line is the Mexicans refused to return the guns. They kept them.

Edit for clarity
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/02/myth-percent-small-fraction-guns-mexico-come/

The above link is from April 2009 it debunks the myth of the 90% US weapons Lie.
Here is a snip from the article.
-- The Mexican Army. More than 150,000 soldiers deserted in the last six years, according to Mexican Congressman Robert Badillo. Many took their weapons with them, including the standard issue M-16 assault rifle made in Belgium.

Read the whole article at the link and you will see where the guns come from.


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dario
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If they shut off all gun sales to everybody even though they can't the cartels would make their own guns. They have hundreds of billions of dollars. If they can build meth factories and pirate movie factories then they can build gun factories. Guns less complex than monstruos.
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Pinchegringo
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Appreciate the homework JP - thanks!

It does in fact dispel the myth that the bulk of the illegal firearms are from the US.  It's just amazing that these cartels have an unending supply.  I suppose the same could be said about the smugglers as well - kill or capture 1, 10 are ready to take their place.
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Pinchegringo
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"-- The Mexican Army. More than 150,000 soldiers deserted in the last six years, according to Mexican Congressman Robert Badillo. Many took their weapons with them, including the standard issue M-16 assault rifle made in Belgium."

Yet Mexico wonders why so many firearms are in the hands of these thugs? This is outrageous.