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Still want to Legalize Heroin?

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cvan
this article just further reinforces why it should be decriminalized.

ALL of the problems described not because the drug is harmful but because it is illegal


supply, dealing with dealers, overdosing


all due to an unregulated black market.


remove the black market, problems like these become manageable
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cvan
and to use zanzibar as some kind of example of failure is laughable.

notice they dont mention portugal
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 Just imagine if all the money we spend on incarceration, enforcement, etc., were spent on treatment. We should treat it as a health issue. As it is now the war on drugs is a miserable failure. I could state why (civil asset forfeiture, private prison industry, disproportionately harassing and imprisoning minorities, propping up drug cartels and corrupt politicians and bankers around the world etc, etc.), but ultimately I do not understand why we take a person with a major health problem and compound that with legal problems. It's high time for a massive overhaul with this whole policy. Legalizing weed is a step. I'm not so liberal as to think that we don't need to break up the drug cartels, but we also need to get the politicians and bankers who aid them, and even that is only a step towards fixing this. So I'd say legalize everything, but regulate the use of heroin, similarly to how they do it in Vancouver, Canada. Have clinics where junkies can shoot up with medical staff around, safe narcotics and safe needles, and treatment available. As far as meth goes, there needs to be tighter regulation in Mexico of the precursor chemicals. We have to attack the market, and the only way to really do that is education and treatment, while legalization and restriction on materials, as well as high taxes on all of this, will decrease the profits and therefore the incentives to traffic drugs.
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cvan
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http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/evaluating-drug-decriminalization-in-portugal-12-years-later-a-891060.html

click the link for page 2


'This Is Working': Portugal, 12 Years after Decriminalizing Drugs

By Wiebke Hollersen

Twelve years ago, Portugal eliminated criminal penalties for drug users. Since then, those caught with small amounts of marijuana, cocaine or heroin go unindicted and possession is a misdemeanor on par with illegal parking. Experts are pleased with the results.

Before he got involved in the global war on drugs, João Goulão was a family physician with his own practice in Faro, on Portugal's Algarve coast. Arriving in his small office in Lisbon, the 58-year-old tosses his jacket aside, leaving his shirt collar crooked. He looks a little tired from the many trips he's taken lately -- the world wants to know exactly how the experiment in Portugal is going. Goulão is no longer able to accept all the invitations he receives. He adds his latest piece of mail to the mountain of papers on his desk.

From this office, where the air conditioning stopped working this morning, Goulão keeps watch over one of the world's largest experiments in drug policy.

One gram of heroin, two grams of cocaine, 25 grams of marijuana leaves or five grams of hashish: These are the drug quantities one can legally purchase and possess in Portugal, carrying them through the streets of Lisbon in a pants pocket, say, without fear of repercussion. MDMA -- the active ingredient in ecstasy -- and amphetamines -- including speed and meth -- can also be possessed in amounts up to one gram. That's roughly enough of each of these drugs to last 10 days.

These are the amounts listed in a table appended to Portugal's Law 30/2000. Goulão participated in creating this law, which has put his country at the forefront of experimental approaches to drug control. Portugal paved a new path when it decided to decriminalize drugs of all kinds.

"We figured perhaps this way we would be better able get things under control," Goulão explains. "Criminalization certainly wasn't working all that well."

Much the Same as a Parking Violation

As part of its war on drugs, Portugal has stopped prosecuting users. The substances listed in the Law 30/2000 table are still illegal in Portugal -- "Otherwise we would have gotten into trouble with the UN," Goulão explains -- but using these drugs is nothing more than a misdemeanor, much the same as a parking violation.

Why set the limits on these drugs at 10 days' worth of use, though?

"Well, it's a limit, which by its nature is arbitrary," Goulão says. Now the head of Portugal's national anti-drug program and an important figure in Portuguese health policy, he still talks like an easygoing family doctor. Arrayed on Goulão's windowsill are photographs, including one of him with Richard Branson, the British billionaire and hot air balloon operator. Another shows Goulão with the king of Spain. Both these men have received personal briefings on Portugal's new drug program from Goulão.

"At the point when we designed the law, we had hardly any data to draw on," Goulão relates. "We weren't the least bit certain this would work."

The question at stake: How can a government keep its citizens from taking dangerous drugs? One way is to crack down on those who provide the drugs -- the cartels, the middle men and the street dealers. Another approach is to focus on the customers -- arresting them, trying them and imprisoning them. Legal prosecution -- as both a control mechanism and a deterrent -- is the chosen approach for most governments.

Giving Up on the Idea of a Drug-Free World

"It's important that we prevent people from buying drugs, and taking drugs, using every method at our disposal," says Manuel Pinto Coelho, 64, the last great opponent of Goulão's experiment. Pinto Coelho wants his country to return to normalcy, in the form of the tough war on drugs that much of the rest of the world conducts.

Pinto Coelho is a doctor too. He has run rehab centers and written books about addiction. Now he's at odds with former colleagues and with "the system," as he says.

His greatest concern is that his country has given up on the idea of a drug-free world. How, Pinto Coelho asks, is it possible to keep young people away from drugs, when everyone knows exactly how many pills can legally be carried around? He still believes deterrents are the best form of prevention and that cold turkey withdrawal is the best treatment method. He is also fighting the extensive methadone program Portugal began as part of its drug policy reform, which now provides tens of thousands of heroin addicts with this substitute drug.

These days, Pinto Coelho earns his living running diet clinics, but he spends his evenings writing letters and drafting presentations on his country's "absurd drug experiment." He travels to symposiums to warn the rest of the world of its dangers. At home in Portugal, his critical perspective has made him an outsider, but he says he's been well received abroad. As if offering proof, he shows a fact sheet issued by the United States Office of National Drug Control Policy, a brief and skeptically worded report on the Portuguese experiment.

The Freedom that Overwhelmed the Country

When João Goulão wants to explain why it is Portugal in particular that came up with the idea to stop prosecuting drug users, he starts with the country's Carnation Revolution.

In 1974, Portugal broke free from nearly 50 years of military dictatorship, a political shift symbolized by the carnations soldiers stuck in the muzzles of their rifles."Suddenly, the drugs were there," Goulão says, as Portuguese returning from the country's overseas colonies brought marijuana with them. Goulão, too, says he smoked pot back then. He was in his early twenties and "drugs promised us freedom."

But it was a freedom that soon overwhelmed the country. When Goulão established his doctor's practice in Faro, he soon found himself approached by parents whose children were no longer just smoking joints, but had moved on to heroin. Sometimes the children came to him as well, and Goulão had no idea how to treat them. When the first state-run rehab clinic opened in Lisbon, Goulão attended a training course there.

At that point, he says, the heroin epidemic was just beginning.

In the 1980s, cheap heroin from Afghanistan and Pakistan began flooding Europe. Portugal was not the only country affected, but Goulão says his nation was hit particularly hard, because people here had little idea how to handle drugs. "We were naïve," he says.

The number of people taking illegal drugs in Portugal was low compared with other countries, but of those who did consume drugs, an unusually high number of them fell into the category that specialists in this field refer to as "problem drug users."

From the pile of papers on his desk, Goulão unearths a copy of a speech he recently gave in Paris. Flipping through it, he finds the figure he's looking for: 100,000. This is the number of severely drug-addicted people in Portugal at the height of the epidemic, in the mid-1990s. Portugal's total population at the time was just under 10 million. The number of drug addicts who became infected with HIV was also considerably higher than in most other countries.

A drug slum formed in Lisbon, at the edge of a neighborhood known as Casal Ventoso. Here junkies slept in shacks or in the garbage, in extremely poor conditions. "They shot up on the street, and they died on the street," Goulão says. Anyone in Portugal could observe this phenomenon -- on TV, in newspaper pictures or even from the nearby highway.
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ArmChairIntellect
They most certainly can ThinkTank and should, alcohol is far most destructive than heroin in almost every conceivable way.  I would recommend some further research into the subject, the main culprit in heroin's destructiveness is that it is illegal and has to be done in the shadows.  This kind of living is very bad for your health.      
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As someone who has known addicts my entire life, and who lives in a rural area that is seeing an unprecedented surge in the use of cheap brown heroin, I don't know what the answer is.

However, I'm unsure if legalization would improve the situation. The widespread abuse of opioid pain medication is an indicator of how problematic legal narcotics can be. Far more people in the United States die abusing prescription pain medication, than all illegal narcotics combined.

Those that say, don't know. Those that know, don't say.
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To clarify I do not think it's wise to use heroin and do not in any way encourage its use but I also don't demonize it.  Legalization comes with caveats such as free treatment for the addicts and free support and education for the family members.  
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It is undeniable that alcohol abuse exacerbates millions of domestic violence cases, directly contributes to nearly 100,000 deaths from abuse, while 10,000 people a year in the United States are killed in DUI related incidents.

Excessive alcohol use is a leading cause of preventable death in the United States. Alcohol is often involved in sexual assaults, especially on college campuses, and causes untold misery to family members of alcoholics.

Heroin abuse can be tragic, but an addict receiving maintenance doses can achieve a high level of function with family, work, and society. Heroin is rarely associated with domestic abuse, and health problems associated with heroin are largely due to it's illegality. Many overdoses are a result of the combined abuse with ALCOHOL.

I'm not promoting the legalization of heroin, but hands down, there is no comparison with the ravages wrought by alcohol in US society.

Those that say, don't know. Those that know, don't say.
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ArmChairIntellect
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You can drop the smug act there ThinkTank.  What you fail to realize is that opiate abuse is actually fairly manageable if treated as such, if you understood addiction you would understand what you preach is nothing new, prohibition due to fear is a common theme and a failed policy at that. It's obvious you have no understanding about addiction beyond anecdotal evidence, you truly are clueless.
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ArmChairIntellect
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Kid is absolutely spot on here.
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Re: Still want to Legalize Heroin?

Siskiyou_Kid
Thanks for the complement. I don't have your professional experience or education, but sometimes personal experience can be useful in evaluating the societal impacts of the use and abuse of narcotics.
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cvan
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your ego shall only be slightly inflated. ive been registed for quite some time and have lurked even longer. You just motivated me to reply
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ArmChairIntellect
We all await what I'm sure is a well thought out and researched reply....
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:)
 
The way I see it.... the more people that don't like me, the less people I have to please
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