Should the USA intervene in Mexico's drug war ?

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Should the USA intervene in Mexico's drug war ?

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No.  I believe, however, wealthy Mexican businessmen should gather and take drastic measures like:  hire professional mercenaries to clean up beautiful Mexico and make it safe for the Mexicans and others that like to travel freely without any worries for their safety.  Argentine did the "desaparecidos" thing some years back.  I think Mexico has to act without mercy.
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rocket
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They hate us anyway, all they want to do is come work here and go home live like a king; they have no interest in this country. If all the illegals stayed in their country and worked to make it better then we wouldn't have this problem. Imagine millions of MX that live in the US actually caring and working to improve their home instead of running from it.
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alejandro
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are you kidding me? the US military proved it is a pathetic regime by dropping bombs in iraq and leaving, leaving all the bomb craters they created, all the  destroyed hospitals schools and homes from the initial USA aggresion against iraq is still there. And 9 years into the war in afghanistan, the us is no where near  victory. if the USA cant win wars against rag tag groups of insurgents with rusty hand-me-down AK'47s , what the hell makes you think the usa can defeat the mexican army, the mexican navy, the mexican cartels, and the mexican people?
They cant.
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jessmr
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wealthy mexicans are the root cause of this problem, if they would pay ANY taxes and a fucking living wage mexico wouldn't have this problem because they wouldn't have a huge underclass of poverty stricken people to recruit for the cartels and buy the police departments to protect them.  rich and super rich mexicans ARE THE PROBLEM, they lived like kings while the people have suffered- too bad they have the money and the means to move here and escape the problems they created.
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alejandro
Nodumbass, wealthy americans who can spend at least $500 dollars a month on cocaine to stuff up their nose and middle class teenagers in the USA are  the problem. if only the mexican army could consider drug users as enemys. poverty stricken? please. The mexican people, and the mexican economy are in better shape than the usa than ever before.
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Duke
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To JessMr.  Many people like you talk about either the Mx. govt. or the wealthy could solve Mexico's problems if they would just pay a living wage.  You are correct in your belief that the poverty in Mexico is one of the root causes of the violence here.  But a large percentage of the workers here work for Maquilladoras, factories owned by individuals or companies outside of Mexico.  Most are American owned or controlled.   You may own stock in some of them.   They typically pay a starting wage of about 600 pesos a week.  That is a little under $50 U.S. dollars.  After 10 or 15 years the worker might expect to be earning $1000 to $1200 pesos a week.  That is about $80 to $100 a week.  Maybe if you guys up there starting paying your workers down here a living wage it would gradually force other employers here to bring up their wages
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ZAPATA
With Plan Merida the U.S. gives Mexico no money to pay the soldiers and cops a decent wage to fight the drug war. In fact a high school kid working at McDonalds in the U.S. probably makes more money than a soldier or cop in Mexico facing heavy arms fire from the Narcos.
Instead Mexico is given Military equipment that Defense Department Contracters are manufacturing that U.S. taxpayers are paying for.
Now cause some panic on the border so the building of the wall can commence. U.S. Taxpayers fleeced once again.
Really, a wall to keep a country full of miners out. Ever heard of tunnels. Mexicans have been digging mines and tunnels since the Spanish Conquest. They are some of the best in the world at it.
Oh. don´t forget about all the arms from the U.S. that are being black marketed in Mexico right now.
Winner- arms dealers and U.S. companies manufacturing arms.
Come on the U.S. is owned and run by big corporations. If the laws don´t make sense or what is happening doesn´t make since it´s a guarantee someone is making big money because of it.
As for as who´s problem the drugs are. Economics 101- demand always creates supply.
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tejano
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While I agree that the wealthy in Mexico may share some responsibility, their safety and that of their families are also at stake.  Who are the kidnappers going to target in Mexico?   Them.  Their "guaruras" (bodyguards) are easily bought and can easily turn on them.  Their kids go to the clubs, etc, they're are easy targets.  That's why I believe that they have a lot to lose by keeping the violence alive.  If the Mexican government is unable or unwilling to do something, they should.
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Churro
Maybe I am a pessimist, but I think the only people who can stop the drug war are the cartels. They control all of this, not the government. If they decided to stop fighting, work together, be productive to their communities, and decide to build Mexico back up, they could. The government could allow it by letting the cartels invest in Mexico and various resources, creating jobs, and minimizing the role of drugs in making a profit. They have enough money to do it and it would forever change Mexico. And US involvement would not be needed.
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NotSoStupid
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I can see that you have no idea what you are talking about.  Your comments are more like "CNN" type of comments where people do not understand what they are talking about.  "If illegals stay home", the USA would not have this problem?  Are you saying that the "illegals" are consuming the drugs in the USA?  Are you saying that they are transporting it?  Have you read the articles where links have been found between the drug dealers and "white suppremacist" groups?  What are you smoking?  God go back to your little world and let intelligent people in this forum alone.
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rocket
 Are you saying that they are transporting it?

YES!!!!!!!!!! Border Patrol arrest many of them every year, And your name is NotSoStupid???? Thats funny
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Maquilero
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Duke:

Your way off base about the Maquila's.  The Maquilas, probably about 50% US owned if that, have increased wages in Mexico quite a bit.  Do you think that Maquila's only employ low wage direct labor?  My goodness, Maquila's are full of engineers, manager, purchasing agents, and so on and so forth, professionals don't come cheap in Mexico.   Go to any city that does not have US owned Maquilas and compare the wages to cities that do and you will see a huge difference, not only in wages but in work conditions.  

In your calculations you don't figure in the roughly 40-45% employer burden into your calculations, while in the US the burden is about 10%.  All of those wonderful "prestaciones" that flawed Mexican labor law, enacted to protect poor Mexican's from rich Mexican's, has granted the pobre obrero.    One of the reasons wages are low in Mexico is the antiquated Federal Labor Law and the "protection" that is supposedly gives a worker.  

Mexico's system of government is completely screwed up, it is not the people, it is the system.  It is flawed, does not work and has as its basis the Spanish Ecomienda system that was designed to keep the indians as basically somewhat free serfs.  That is the problem.  Oh, that and fiscal terrorism that the Mexican IRS, "Secretaria de Hacienda" practices, Mexico's tax policies are idiotic and the rich avoid them easily.  

No doubt the US consumption of drugs fuels the mess, but Mexico is easily ripe for the pickings due to the corruption that is prevalent throught all levels of society and governement.  This corruption was prevalent before there was crack house one in the US or even prohibition in the US.  It is the flawed system of Mexican governement that is the root cause of Mexico's problems, nothing other.  
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alejandro
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The best way for america to help mexico is to stop consuming drugs, seeing americans are the NUMBER -FUCKING-ONE DRUG USING NATION
But your too arrogant to admit it, Figures, Stupidity reigns in the USA.
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alejandro
Fuck it im glad 9-11 happend, fuck the usa
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NuevoLeonStyle
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Yes they should. Although they have been messing up Iraq I believe the USA Army could defeat these dumba$s idiots. That thanks to them innocent life's are taken, &&I Cant go to mexico &&Its all their fault. I hate this dumb cartels &&They need to be ended with SOON or it will escalate to the US, theres already cartel members here not long until they start doing what they do in mexico
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