193 was the number of victims the Procuraduria General de la Republica said was the final toll when the last fosa was found in 2011. I later heard that that number was modified lower, but I continue to use to 193 as the death toll. So far, until the government of Mexico says otherwise, the San Fernando massacres are by far the worst mass murder in modern Mexican history.
@badanov yeah, and per gary moore's june 2011 blog entry, tho there were deaths of private citizen's in cars too,most were pulled off buses of a bus line that wouldn't pay the zeta piso. The other bus line travelling the same route raised their prices steeply, so moore says.
He says whole buses disappeared as well ... And that more than 10 buses were stopped and people randomly kidnapped and murdered.
I remember the earlier stories on bb... But moore's coverage is excellent.
You're welcome ecpc... Yes, I wonder the same thing. And I even wonder about moore... His blog mysteriously stopped on may 26, 2012.
He travelled to San Fernando to interview locals about the deaths of the 72 immigrants... So he was intrepid.
His linkedIn account still is up, but in some searches I could find no evidence of new articles.
looks like some peeps never make it across the border of Forum.
there have been many articles posted on mainboard by me and Gerardo about this.
and thank you so much for remembering about Cuellers testimony in the Austin trial me and Havana covered.
when zetas split from cdg, they used the same tactics as when the were with cdg before the split, acquiring trafficking info, middle layer contractors etc cueller describes this in an overview during the trial.
as for this being real. everyone in Coahuila knows it is so, and more. The cities along borders are the cities where much of the violence goes down.
I have been in Coahuila for 10 years, we have sustained two balaceras directly in front of our offices, in one 2 people were killed that were innocents.
I personally know of several people that have been taken, including the brother of a local newscaster friend, and another friend whose teenaged boys were taken. Another business man had his store and home torched and daughter taken. But I know many people in my part of Coahuila, the more you know the more you will know about.
The way I see it.... the more people that don't like me, the less people I have to please
Well, thanks for peeping me out, Chivis. I made a reference mistake and I admitted it, however, this story cannot be told enough times so I let it be. Delete it if you like, but my point was to report that the investigation is finally under way to probably find some of the missing at that ranch.
Besides that, I find it amazing that both you and DD dare to live in that place. Brave people for sure, I would like to know if the security conditions have improved anything in the last year.
@Bjeff Forgive me if I am mistaken... but isn't this article by Bjeff reporting on NEW recently discovered evidence of murders in the Cinco Mantaniels (or however you spell it) area?
These are new January 2014 reports... and appear to be new to me.
The graphic I posted from Gary Moore probably confused things, and I apologize... I was just trying to sort out the massacres and I was not on BB when they were reported.
I came across that graphic while researching something completely unrelated.
And Chivis, you know I love you, but it is a bit frustrating when you slap down folks because we do not know about every article or every subject ever published on BB!!! Many of us have not been here that long. That is why I was trying to sort out the massacres shown in the graphic... just curiosity on my part to better understand the history.
I actually got a lot of help from wikipedia where they have a massacre by massacre breakdown and discussion. Thinks are a bit hit or miss here on BB, just the nature of this type of forum, but it is hard to find a chronological presentation of information.
Also, part of the nature of any forum is.... there are ***ALWAYS*** repeat posts and requests, and they always pissoff impatient people who've been around a long time.
Yes, we will NEVER be the expert you are, so please have mercy on us!! jajajaja <3