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Chivis
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WHat I would like to say to Mr. Calderon:

It is not that you do not have just cause to say how you feel, but the timing was so imperfect that you with your words of blame, at this time of grief is shameful disrespect towards a country that is so emeshed with yours.  My compassionate heart, grieving today, turned cold because of your words.  Today, at this moment was not the time.  This is the time of hope and promise as much as grief and anger.  It is unfortunate you can not see my words, me a simple person, a Mexican American humanitarian who has worked faithfully for years in YOUR country bringing possibilty and hope to poor and disabled Mexican children because they live in a country that places no value on their lives.  These are the children that mature into recruits for YOUR cartels.  These assassins and perps such as at the casino are YOUR making, through your indifference.
 
It is unfortunate you look out rather than in.  Yes the US is the worlds greatest consumer of drugs, but Europe is fast gaining as drug use has increased throughout Europe, and guess what Mr. President, why don't you speak the truth?  You know that Mexico is no longer deemed a trafficking nation but now also joins the ranks as a consumer nation. I beg you to stop allowing your cartels to traffick drugs to our country that are destroying our children.


SO much rhetoric.  One can interchange NL with Tamps, Mty with Mier or Mata and the words and promises are the same.  " we will stay until peace comes, we will stay until perps are apprehended, and convicted for these atrocities.  The grand dog and pony show arrives with tanks, soldiers and weapontry, then when no one is looking....poof.

So Mr. President.  I have little faith in your words.  How soon you forgot the atrocities of Tamps, one year ago exactly, where 72 central americans were slaughtered on YOUR watch.  And the narcofosas of Tamps and Dgo just a distant memory, and soon so shall this be.  YOU could have saved Mty, using lessons learned reacting 30 mos ago.  What happened in Mty was the fault of the perps, but the responsibilty of the president of Mexico and those in fiduciary power.....My Daily Dos-Buela


Video of Presidents speech to the country:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4I6Ysmehkk&feature=player_embedded

His words translated: (his slam to the US is highlighted in bold-it is now the world headline not about the atrocity-about calderon slamming the US in his speech-it is headlines around the globe)

Ladies and gentlemen of the media.
 
Mexicans:
 
Yesterday, the people of Mexico witnessed one of the most terrible acts of barbarity in  memory.
 A group of unscrupulous criminals, without respect for law, for life, nor for society, attacked a casino in the city of Monterrey.

 In this attack, there has been confirmed the deaths of more than 50 people. They were Mexicans,  by name: husbands, mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, sisters and brothers.

 These are lives that were cut so absurdly, unjustly and violently, for the evil ambition of a handful of criminals.

 Today is a day of mourning for Monterrey and Mexico.

 What we live today is a profoundly painful, from  an inhumane act that fills all Mexicans sadness, anger and courage. It is an unforgivable crime that every society must condemn and reject with energy.
 It is an act of terror and barbarism that repudiated, because our country and our people do not deserve this suffering.

 To all the families of the victims, I want my deepest condolences of this terrible and irreparable loss. We can not even gauge the deep pain that their families are living today, not enough words to offer, right now, a little comfort.

 Precisely because the country shares their grief and solidarity for all of Mexico Nuevo Leon, I have decided to declare national mourning for three days, from August 25, when they  committed these atrocities.
 What I can assure you is that we will facilitate all legal, institutional and economic reach, to find out who is responsible for these events and make them pay for their crime.
 Your pain is pain all over Mexico, and we know that if this particular  crime goes  unpunished, there is no offense.
 As a Mexican, as a parent and as President, I am deeply saddened, shocked and outraged.
 Like all murderous action, this attack is without reason and justification. This action is more than the most serious attack on innocent civilians that the country has seen in a long while.
 Like all murderous action, this tragedy demands a robust and unified Mexicans.

 I have instructed the Attorney General's Office so that coadyuvancia with the Office of Justice of Nuevo León, investigate and bring to justice all those responsible for these acts.

 We know there are many elements to be investigated and clarified. From the legal acts that allowed the installation, administrative and legal situation prevailing in the operation of a facility like this, to review the due compliance with the Standards for Civil Protection, which may have exacerbated the scale of the tragedy and heightened casualties. In all informed, transparent and timely manner to the public.

 But make no mistake. We're not talking in the core of an accident, but  brutal and unspeakable  murder.  We're talking about criminals, so cunning, with premeditation, treachery, lead arrived, threaten people who were there and burned people and facilties that exist no more.

 Arsonists and murderers are real terrorists on whom should fall not only the weight of the law, but the unanimous rejection of society, public authorities, political parties, social leaders and the media.
 The people of Monterrey, I say that we will not leave them alone. In a few minutes, I will go to that city to address the situation and meet personally with the Office of Homeland Security, with which I have already met this morning, and I will gather there in Monterrey .

 I also will  meet with Governor Rodrigo Medina and Mayor Fernando Larrazabal, and the Federal Government and the authorities in Nuevo León,  to coordinate efforts in search that aims to capture the criminals who caused this tragedy.

 Let's be clear: We will not leave you alone to Monterrey who are suffering from irrational violence offenders. We will be shoulder to shoulder with you in this evil hour.
 We have focused a lot of resources and elements of the federal forces and, now, the Security Cabinet meeting just concluded National, I have instructed to  further strengthen the presence of Federal Forces in the Metropolitan Area City of Monterrey and in the Northeast.

 We will not rest until you find the culprits and restore tranquility to Nuevo Leon in recent years has been lost.

 As a citizen of that entity and the Northeast, citizens across the country, I ask you to denounce, even if anonymously, the perpetrators of this crime and all criminals.
 I have also directed that the Attorney General of the Republic, in exercise of its powers, offer a substantial financial reward who provide information, which by the way, we will soon lead, to capture these murderers.

 Whoever wants us to know who the perpetrators and masterminds of this barbarism, you should report to justice.
 
Clearly we are not facing common criminals. We are facing real terrorists who have exceeded all limits, not only of law but of basic common sense and respect for life.

 Neither the government nor society can give up  the challenge and obligation to defend Mexicans of such crime. The worst that could happen to us is to renounce our duty, and give our communities and our families to the whim and mercy of criminal gangs.

 On the contrary. We have to face them with greater force, more information and intelligence, with greater strength and efficiency. They are not, nor can they be masters of our streets, our cities and our future. We have to confront and subdue them.

 Under such circumstances, we must all act. I respectfully ask that congress, that it provides state and Federal governments and, in particular the Federal Forces of legal certainty in their actions, and the legal powers needed to deal effectively with such a security threat country. This issue must be resolved now.
 At state and municipal governments, I call up the pace to meet the National Agreement for Security, Justice and Legality, and the provisions established by the Public Security Act and the regulatory framework in the field.

 There is no doubt that the advance of criminals also explains powerfully, the rampant corruption prevailing in the institutions of security and justice in different regions and different levels of government, which has penetrated power structures, and left, in many cases, society defenseless, because those who are responsible for ensuring the safety of citizens, not infrequently are, rather, in the service of criminals.

 We must cut through all this corruption. We must refine and strengthen, now, the our police and ministerial bodies.

 The judiciary, at both federal and state, I ask, too, respectfully an effort to review its structures and its members.

 I do not doubt the honesty of most judges. It is also true that the rampant impunity that prevails in the country due, also, that for one reason or another, the criminals do not get the punishment they deserve at the time of trial. It is said by the inexperience of prosecutors. It's something that we should review and, of course, correct.

 But it is also possible that the corrupting power of crime has penetrated the judicial structures that are not exempt from that risk and is forced to review that possibility. At the same time, I ask that you review your own criteria to find a way to close the gap, a gap that opens each day, between the existence of a criminal and legal criteria that make possible punishment.

 The distance between the real truth and what is known as legal truth. Ultimately, the real truth, which the people concerned, is that these criminals are in the streets without punishment and we are obliged to reverse this impunity.
 
Finally, I ask specifically review the judgments have been issued or allowing the operation of many establishments of this nature turning to black crime, where it operates in various parts of the country.

 There is another issue that I can not fail to note.

 Among the many factors associated with these criminal acts are exorbitant economic rents generated by their illegal activities. That causes them to have a capacity of fire and destruction that not only challenges the authority, but that terrifies people and subjects.

 The ambition in this market has been so profitable for criminals to a murderous and brutal gang fight , with such brutal and inhuman acts, as the case may be, probably, from yesterday.

 In these economic gains, higher incomes come from one factor: the transfer and sale of drugs to the United States. Part of the tragedy we live Mexicans have to do with the fact that we are next to the biggest consumer of drugs in the world and at the same time, the largest arms dealer in the world who pay thousands and billions of dollars each year to provide them with drugs..


 These tens of billions of dollars, end with armed and organized criminals, and putting his service against the citizens.

 That is why it is my duty to do, too, a call to society, the Congress and the Government of the United States. I ask you to reflect on the tragedy we are living in Mexico and many Latin American countries, due in large part from the insatiable consumption of drugs involving millions and millions of Americans.
 Economic power and firepower of the criminal organizations operating in Mexico and Latin America, has to do with this endless demand for drugs in the United States.

 Mexico can no longer be the gateway, nor pay the consequences that this market generated and that means not only hundreds of billions of dollars illegal, from the black market, but also in thousands of deaths, a result of the violence exercised by criminal gangs pushed into that business.

 This drug should be reduced drastically, and if that is not possible, the United States should work, too, at least to prevent his transfer, that of the dollars to Mexico, generated by this intolerable violence.

 We need and appreciate the cooperation we have had in terms of information and intelligence that has allowed us to capture dozens of leaders of organized crime and criminal structures hit.

 But it is also important that the people, Congress and the U.S. government find a solution to take away the economic rents to exorbitant criminals who create the black market of drugs.
 
If you are determined and resigned to use drugs, search, then market alternatives to cancel the stratospheric profits of criminals, or establish clear access points other than the border with Mexico. But that situation can not remain the same.

 At the same time, I urge you to close at once the criminal sale of high-powered weapons and assault rifles to criminals operating in Mexico, and only due to profit. If you can fix it as they have recently done in the past. Cancel the indiscriminate and uncontrolled sale of assault weapons.

 No reason for the hundreds of thousands of guns sold to criminals aimed at Mexicans and their authorities. We are neighbors, we are allies, we're friends, but also, you are responsible. That's my message.


 I know now many people wonder what will happen now and what we do. What follows.
 On behalf of the Federal Government, the answer is clear: The following is to persevere and to redouble efforts to achieve peace and justice, because we will not give up. Instead, go forward because we want a peaceful Mexico, and Mexico's freedoms are threatening criminals.

 The following is the legal action, the legitimate action of the Mexican state to punish these murderers and their accomplices. Precisely why, for the innocent victims, by the cowardice of the murderers, we must and we will continue to act with determination against the organized crime gangs that have plagued Monterrey, and many cities in Mexico.

 Criminals must know that the more they mess with innocent people, we will act more forcefully against them.  Peace should be left in society.

 In solidarity with Monterrey, Nuevo Leon, with the entire country to rid Mexico of criminal barbarity, to dismantle the gang that perpetrated this attack, no matter any criminal organization holding the sign and seeking to intimidate and subdue our people.

 Ladies and Gentlemen,
 Today we, Mexicans, we have to show up where we are able to come in defense of Mexico and in defense of our own. We must show that we are a people united in solidarity that knows the darkest hours, that with fear and anxiety that seek to instill, we respond with firmness, determination, and at the same time, calmly.

 We show that we are a people who know to put aside differences to confront and defeat their enemies, whoever and wherever they come from. We show that we are able to convert anger into strength to also defend our values: honesty, legality, solidarity, respect for others, hope in the future, the love of family and love for Mexico.

 It's time to unite all political forces, municipal governments, state and Federal, the Congress, the judiciary, civil society organizations, communicators and all Mexicans, we know that our country is much stronger than a handful of criminals whose ambition is to impose fear.
 
It is now time to assume unhesitatingly and without meanness, without doubt, our responsibility for criminals to stop destroying the country.

 Law enforcement, notably the Federal Forces are defending citizens from criminals. Let us do our job, to put aside the pettiness and political interests that seek to precisely stop the action of the Federal Forces just to get perhaps a media or political gain.

 It's time to push, too, the changes that both urge to approve the reforms and laws that will strengthen the security background of Mexicans.

 It's time to dig into background, too, with all its risks and costs, the task of police forces to purge the bad elements, who collude with criminals, who would open the way to perpetrate these atrocities , stop hurting Mexicans as well.

 It is time, too,  to plant in homes, schools, workplaces, the children, with children, young people, the values that will strengthen a culture of legality, honesty, respect themselves, respect for life, respect for others.

 Today, every one of the Mexicans have a responsibility to the nation. Today no one can get out of this effort, which is for Mexico, for your safety, justice, legality, by the Mexico we want.
 Today, Mexico is aggrieved and saddened, and we turn that outrage and sadness, valor and courage to face together as one people, criminals.

 Let us turn our grief in unity to build a better Mexico.

 United have overcome difficult moments and bitter, and together we will overcome this tragedy.
 
Thank you very much.
 
The way I see it.... the more people that don't like me, the less people I have to please
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Oh please he didn't blame the United States he ask for reflection, he asking for other alternatives to the United States government. And he make some valid points about the economic power american drug addict and guns sells that come from the United States. Once again your delusional grandma taking shit out of context. I like how he mentioned something about the United States and you get all mad like the United States is all sweet and innocent in all this bullshit jaja. Nice one. I saw the video and he BLAMED it on the criminal group that committed these acts maybe you forgot to read where he said, "These are lives that were cut so absurdly, unjustly and violently, for the evil ambition of a handful of criminals. " I also like how you forgot to mention in your little rant that he mentioned this

" I do not doubt the honesty of most judges. It is also true that the rampant impunity that prevails in the country due, also, that for one reason or another, the criminals do not get the punishment they deserve at the time of trial. It is said by the inexperience of prosecutors. It's something that we should review and, of course, correct.

 But it is also possible that the corrupting power of crime has penetrated the judicial structures that are not exempt from that risk and is forced to review that possibility."



So much for "SCOLDS AND HOLDS AMERICANS RESPONSIBLE" Right? jaja.

I think he is ready to throw in the towel realizing he made a big mistake. That no matter how much you kill or arrest these criminals. As long as the United States has the same policy of the failed war on drugs its always going to end in failure. What drugs should cost pennies is fueled by the illegal black market. Everyone knows that the United States government is and will always have the last word when it comes to the failed war drug policy. And thats what he was asking for in reflection. El Universal posted an interesting article recently maybe you should read it and cause a good debate here in Mexico.

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/editoriales/53720.html

Article:
The weapons that kill thousands of people in Mexico every year come, in the great majority of cases, from the United States.The dollars needed to buy these weapons come mainly from the millions of American drug users. Therefore, any attempt to destroy the drug cartels will be useless as long as so many dollars and weapons continue to flow freely across the northern frontier.It’s a simple case of cause and effect, yet the U.S. has been unable to assimilate health and security policy into a single powerful whole.Fortunately for everyone, the Obama government is showing signs that it understands the root of the problem. First, it has acknowledged U.S. responsibility and has maintained police and military cooperation with Mexico that began under the Bush Administration. Now, the Obama government has established vital systems for monitoring and is taking action to address the sale of arms and drug consumption.According to the  Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, 30 percent of assault rifle sales in U.S. gun shops are made to frequent buyers or front men. The profile fits the traffickers who supply the cartels perfectly. Using this argument, the Obama government decided that gun shops would have to delay the repeated sale of high-powered rifles to the same individual for a period of five days. Furthermore, they have been instructed to notify federal authorities when they notice repeat buyers of such rifles.The progress is insufficient, but understandable due to the enormous influence of U.S. conservative groups that promote the "right" - protected by the  Second Amendment - to possess arms.
The same is true in the case of drug use. They have begun to do the right thing, although not with sufficient force. The diagnosis is clear: in the last decade, four million adolescents a year were added to the ranks of drug users. The U.S. government's answer has been to invest more than ever in prevention and the rehabilitation of addicts. The problem is that the plan is being carried out alongside a contradiction: while the United States and Mexico are struggling to reduce the entry of all types of drugs, 15 states in the American Union have legalized marijuana.

So one can be are puzzled over why Washington has pressed our government to pursue a war against something that is increasingly legal in the United States?

The editorial is not saying U.S. pot growers are making the problem of drug use worse in Mexico. I think they are talking about the absurdity of suffering death and destruction by trying to stop the trafficking of a substance that is more or less legal on the other side of the border.

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I revised the translation of that part of the speech for the enjoyment of all (the previous version has some weird gaps, omissions and grammatical issues which I hope I managed to fix for the most part):

(begin speech segment)

There is another issue that I cannot stop pointing out.

Among the many factors associated with these criminal acts are the exorbitant economic rents generated by their illegal activities. That causes them to have a capacity of fire and destruction that not only challenges authority, but that terrifies and pushes the people into submission.

The ambition for this highly profitable market leads criminals to a murderous and bestial fight among crime gangs, with acts as brutal and inhuman, as the case may be, probably, from yesterday.

Of these economic gains, the largest profits come from one factor: the transfer and sale of drugs to the United States. Part of the tragedy we Mexicans live has to do with the fact that we are next to the biggest consumer of drugs in the world and, at the same time, the largest arms dealer in the world who pays thousands and thousands of millions of dollars each year to the criminals to provide them with drugs.

These tens of thousands of millions of dollars, end up arming and organizing the criminals, and putting them at their service and against the citizens.

That is why it is my duty, as well, to make a call to the society, the Congress and the Government of the United States. I ask you to reflect on the tragedy that we are living in Mexico and many Latin American countries, in large part a consequence of the insatiable consumption of drugs in which millions and millions of north-americans take part.

The economic and fire power of the criminal organizations that operate in Mexico and Latin America has to do with this endless demand for drugs of the United States.

Mexico can no longer be the gateway, nor pay the consequences that that market generates, which is translated, not only into hundreds of thousands of millions of illegal dollars, that come from the black market, but also, as well, into thousands of deaths, a consequence of the violence exercised by the criminal gangs pushed into that business.

That drug consumption should be reduced drastically, and if that is not possible, the United States should work, too, at least, to prevent that this transfer, that of the dollars into Mexico, generates this insufferable violence that we mexicans do not want.

We need and appreciate the cooperation we have had in terms of information and intelligence, which has allowed us to capture dozens of leaders of organized crime and to strike at the criminal structures.

But, also, it is important that the people, Congress and the United States Government find a solution to take away the exorbitant economic rents to the criminals that is generated by the black market of drugs.
 
If you are determined and resigned to use drugs, search then for market alternatives that cancel the stratospheric profits of the criminals, or establish clear access points, other than the border with Mexico. But that situation can not remain the same.

At the same time, I urge you to close at once the criminal sale of high-powered weapons and assault rifles to the delinquents that operate in Mexico, which only obeys profit. That can be fixed as you had done recently in the past. Cancel the indiscriminate and uncontrolled sale of assault weapons.

There is no reason why the hundreds of thousands of guns sold to the criminals aim towards Mexicans and their authorities. We are neighbors, we are allies, we're friends, but also, you are responsible. That is my message.

(end speech segment)


I agree with Guerro's assessment that Calderon might be ready to give in the battle and accept a debate on legalization. The speech includes his usual reproaches to the US, but for the first time (as far as I know) he calls the US for "market alternatives"... another step away from the US-mandated drug war rhetoric towards which he has become more and more openly critical (while still caught up in it).

I wonder... if enough people ask for it, would he give the US drug war the finger and start a debate about legalization, bilateral relations be damned? Sure it would be political suicide but his political future is dead anyway, and he's bound to leave office next year... which might lead him to take bold measures.

Most likely it's just wishful thinking...
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Where did I blame the United States in this tragedy, show me? Maybe you should think before you answer. I did mention that as long as the "United States has the same policy of the failed war on drugs its always going to end in failure. What drugs should cost pennies is fueled by the illegal black market. Everyone knows that the United States government is and will always have the last word when it comes to the failed war drug policy." Something Calderon is now asking to be reflected and most likely open to a debate to legalizing drugs.

Everyone makes mistakes maybe now he realized this drug war is stupid. You can never never beat prohibition so why try? Americans learned this in the 1930s, we should of learned from them.
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Survey are you being for real, when you ask these stupid ass question, I have a few questions for you: ..who gives the money...who sells the guns ..and...why cant American stop consuming so much god damn drugs... Now who looks guilty? This blame game is stupid and Americans like you and Buela try to make the US like its so sweet and innocent in this drug war..when you are part of the problem ...think before you answer.

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Awww look at little "survey" getting all mad behind a computer and wanting to fight haha...how cute. You think you little words like fire on it cocksucker ..you chickenshit are going to get me pissed haha. Please.  


".you want to get nasty with me you goddamn asshole ?..go ahead ..i am not an old lady ..you want to try to play?... fire on it cocksucker ..you chickenshit .."

TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUNNYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!
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"ohh ...now you want to speak without calling me a stupid fuck...thats better"

Please I didn't do it out of respect for you. I just know your post will get censored by Buggs if you start cussing like your stupid little rant on top haha

I never said you owe us anything. So stop implying shit! Second in this drug war every country shares responsibility that is the US, Mexico, Colombia and etc but really get me tick off is some Americans act like they bear no weight or are part of the problem when you are.

"but we don't blame anyone else outside our country for it"

Yeah tell that to your politicians who like to exploit the fact that because of Mexico's cartels is the main reason for the ever increasing American youth on drugs. Which is a valid point but they forget about other factors as well so in all we all share responsibility but like I said earlier "United States government is and will always have the last word when it comes to the failed war drug policy." That is a fact.
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Once again little "survey" getting all mad behind a computer and wanting to fight haha...too cute. You really think your little words hurt me or even get me mad? haha.

"I don't want to have anything else to do with you...from now own you can talk to yourself ..dejeme en paz culero "

Yeah, I know, I'm that good, you cannot even debate with me on a intellectual level, because I'm just that good and your just that stupid so you had to leave.

Later culero don't let the door hit you on your way out jaja



"dejeme en paz culero" jaja

Little cry baby. Next time you want to debate with a real man, I will be here jaja.

DD
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Well, it was nice for a while to have a forum where there was civil discussions on the issue.  Do todays' comments remind anyone of some posters in the recent past?
Words are powerful weapons, be careful how you use them.
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thanks observer!  I was a little aprehensive to post it but it was me that chopped two sentences because they made little sense in context.

I did not translate this, two volunteer translators that work with my foundation.  
I thought it was more important to get something out there and there was not a video with
subs or a transcript in english so I sent it off to see if anyone could get it done pronto!

to tell you the truth, after his speech I was upset, very upset and felt defeated.

BTW....jajajaja  the two people who worked on it, one began it the other completed it, are TWO UNIVERSITY PROFESSORS IN MEXICO.  THE ARE ENGLISH PROFESSORS!!!!

that says a lot as Mexican educational system now has the lowest test scores in the americas.  and are in the same category as the most undeveloped nations.  I see this up close and personal, as it is my work in Mexico, building schools, kitchens, therapy centers, training teacher etc.

As for legalization, MJ will be legal in the US within 5 years.  to work well Mx must do this also.  make it an open market.  as for the other drugs, decriminalization only, imo, which Mexico has had since 2009 on paper.  as always it sounds good tastes funny (as mano likes to say)
 
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Hola Guerro
I see you are starting shit again.  This is a serious subject and one that needs respect.  I have told you that I agree of much of what your points are, maybe even the majority, but your attitude cannot be construed as anything other than to cause a word war to the point we lose focus on what is important.  You started it here, as in every situation I have seen you in. Your name calling is tiring and silly, even when you call me granny or whatever, it is too incite, and you always try and come back with "but you are one" or whatever, yes indeed, and just added two more grandbabies 2 wks ago when mija had twins, but you are not saying the name to be respectful.  You think an old women can't know much, well that's your prejudice, and your ignorance.   You are immature and have never appreciated the hours of work that goes into posts  on forum evident by your disrepectful manner. No one is paid here, we that post regularly have the same agenda, to inform, educate and debate.  your position could be valuable and insightful, if you would cut the shit.   Buggs has warned if it continues he is shutting it down.  State your case, disagree but play nice.  That's what I am asking.  In lieu of that, if that is out of the realm of your possibilty, I ask you stay off my posts whith your comments and war......thanks, B

and here is my reply to you!

As always my friend, you clearly missed the point or my words and the reason for them.  
Calderon, like every Mexican that is educated, or wealthy, lives in a vacuity.  With blinders to anything outside their world.  and these include most of my very good friends, I am not going to lie, I am of that world, but I am not Mexican by nationality, so I see things differently.  I view all nations critically, and none less than  my own.  You failed to see I was being facetious when I said keep your drugs it is killing our children.  Though the words speak truth, Mexico is not the blame for our children taking drugs, any more than the US is the blame for Mexican violence.  we play a part, clearly and undisputedly, but for Calderon to speak  on the world stage, to be so self righteous and accusatory, it was ill timed , ill advised if not  just plain ill-mannered.

 The US has ignored solutions that would make great progresses in altering the course of this “war”.  There are elements such as money laundering that the US has breached its duty to enforce,  consequently  laws are  broken on a regular basis, openly and freely by banks and financial institutions.  Banks such as Well Fargo are not tightening policies but implementing new programs such as the wiring of funds as they stated “out goal is to surpass Western Union”  even Stevie Wonder can read between the line of those goals.  Our government turns a blind eye.  But the excuse of the US with its drug use  as the cause Mexico’s violence/drug war problem has worn paper thin.  While technically true, drug use has dramatically gone done since the 80s, not up and the drug that has increased in the US and the drug that represents the overwhelming majority of use is Marijuana.  20 states in the US have medical MJ or it is pending, that is for all purpose de- facto legalization.  There are now 1200 dispensaries in Los Angeles alone.  Soon it will be legal.  As it should be.  Europe’s increased usage of hard drugs is shocking and is fast gaining on the US.  Mexico has now been determined to be not only a trafficking nation, but a consumer nation as well.

Mexicans can not see the man in the mirror.  They refuse be honest and see that every Mexican no matter what station in life is responsible for what is occurring in Mx.  The corruption, ambivalence, collusion, selfishness and refusal to accept responsibility.    From the “Zeta-Governor”  to the voter from every walk of life that aligns with PRI or PAN to get a few pesos a month paid for loyalty.  Where do they suppose those funds are derived from?  Everyone is responsible.

 Mexicans are  waiting for Superman.  They just do not want to get hands dirty or be involved.  They are individualists  .  Me, my family, my home, my space.   They do not like to play as team players.  They have the worse percentage of charitable and nonprofit foundations in THE America’s, something like 2%, far behind poor countries in Central America.  AND among the worse in the world along side Bangladesh.   In my many years in Mx working in 7 states, I have met only four persons that are Mx citizens that have founded and operate authentic charities. All are Americans, and in Chiapas many European.  As for the Mexicans,   one is a wealthy person.  I will say there is no excuse that the wealthy not give back to their society.  It is a duty they ignore.  Its all about themselves.  They give me kudos for my work but on occasion ask me “why”?  and there is no excuse for those without resources to use the most invaluable resource in volunteerism ….TIME.  but this does not happen.  Nor does anyone accept responsibility for their actions or inactions.  Always quick to assign blame elsewhere.
AN example is Mexico refuses to be a part of the UN peace-keeping missions, that is nothing but disgraceful, even tiny countries like Peru recognize the humanity in such action, the duty, the responsibility. Mexico could easily change the constitution, other countries have recognizing the obligation.  Why is Mexico this way? It’s isn’t  because they are not caring people, so it is difficult to understand why. Have  they have developed into individualists because of its leaders or cultural evolution?  because those in power demonstrate a lack of caring in their fiduciary responsibility it then reflects on its people?   Mexico should be prosperous, but they remain in the shitter because of their inability to conform to the team concept and  accept personal accountability not only for their actions, but for their inaction, and obligation .

We are the neighbors who care deeply for the people of the world.  We give more as a nation, especially as individuals,  that any where on earth.  We have helped your country with an extraordinary amount of expertise, funds, equipment to your war of drugs/ violence.  We fund your army with 500M per year at a time when our schools have cut vital programs.  It hurts, but we conduct ourselves as Americans as we always have;  we do the right thing.

So when I heard those ripping words from your president, it was beyond hurtful, and  though it should not have been, it was shocking and  vexatious . “Calderon Slams US” was the headline in every country in the world, taking the focus off where it should have been.  An unthinkably selfish act on the part of Calderon,   it was not the time, but it is the Mexican way to point outwards at blame.  It is reminiscent of Calderon’s highly critical stance of the Az law, yet in his country there lies the framework of one of the most inhumane treatment of humans in the Americas,  among the worse in the world.    Central American migrants have less value than animals in Mexico.  Not solely by cartels, FROM EVERYONE.   Yet he slams us for OUR undocumented migrant issue??  I know the issue up close and personal, I work with Migrant shelters along the frontera.   But that’s the culture of Mexico.  And you are a perfect example of why Mexico is where it is, why it cannot move forward


 
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Every news source in the world last night headlined "Calderon Slams US"  
Guerro will never get it.  He/She lives in a world common in Mexico.

just a fact.
 
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"Survey" I am not asking for a response of what I am about to say; use good manners in debates or take it some place else (this is not Blog del Narco).

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I didn’t start shit! And like I told you, I call people out on their bullshit! I always will say something and stand up for myself and anyone else, just the way I am. I’m not here to make friends like I stated before. So basically you don’t like to be called grandma. For whatever reasons you think, I think (like your some type of mind reader) an old women can't know much, beats the crap outta me. All you have to say is you don’t like being called grandma. Ok I get it, that’s all you had to say and I will stop calling you that even though your name does mean it, kind of a hypocrite.  

“.   Buggs has warned if it continues he is shutting it down.  State your case, disagree but play nice.  That's what I am asking.  In lieu of that, if that is out of the realm of your possibilty, I ask you stay off my posts whith your comments and war......”

If it is anyone you need to mentioned that too is your little friend observer who got his panties in a bunch haha. I even went back and edited my post out of respect for the rules but when push comes to shove, I will not back down.  I think you just don’t like it when I disagree with you and make you look dumb.

and here is my reply to you!

Here is your problem and what I found right off the bat, you hang around the Mexican elites or the rich pompous assholes. And as for  “Calderon to speak  on the world stage, to be so self righteous and accusatory, it was ill timed , ill advised if not  just plain ill-mannered.” Just because you didn’t like it, doesn’t mean what he said isn’t right or true, he had some valid points.  
As for “The US has ignored solutions that would make great progresses in altering the course of this “war”.” It’s not that the United States has ignored any solutions, it’s just the corruption on the US side has prevented anyone from making any drastic changes to actually going after money launders. If you don’t believe me then out of the entire Wachovia case why didn’t one person go to jail? Incredible! Why one must ask? Because people making too much money has made it impossible for anyone to really do anything. And that’s any country for that matter. Have you not read the UN report stating that if it wasn’t for organize crime money that the world economies would have collapse in 2007-2009. Organize crime single handy provided the funds to sustain many economies on the verge of collapse if not for the trillions of dollars. As for demand going down, where the hell did you come up with that conclusion, I need some evidence. I wasn’t able to find anything for 2011 or 2010 but in the National Survey on Drug Use and Health shows the overall rate of current illicit drug use in the United States rose from 8.0 percent of the population aged 12 and older in 2008 to 8.7 percent in 2009. This rise in overall drug use was driven in large part by increases in marijuana use.” Which as everyone knows 50 to 60 percent of all the profits DTOs get are from marijuana. It is true that in Mexico drug consumption has gone up and it’s something that worries me in the years to come but let’s get real, the peso or the dollar? Everyone knows that once that drugs cross the border the profit of drugs jumps through the roof and it’s there where they make most of the profit. So I notice you didn’t mention the PRD? Well I got news for you every political party isn’t perfect but if you want to go political, I would like for you to study la reforma politica which is stuck in congress.  And to answer your question “Where do they suppose those funds are derived from?” If you’re suggesting that this money comes from drug money then you couldn’t be more wrong, while I don’t doubt some of it does. Political parties get more money from the Federal government, even more money than some national secretaries or entire states in Mexico. Basically from the tax payers.  I completely agree that we are waiting for a miracle person just like Colosio but I believe if we want to change as a country we start with our youth and within ourselves. Many Mexicans believe this and we can look in the mirror, I’m surprised you haven’t been to most universities where these topics are discussed everyday. It’s not that we do not get involve or we don’t care, of course we care. Mexico does not suffer from poverty but from inequality, we are a rich country but the wealth is not distributed equally. And as far as team players where the hell do you come up with that? By judging your elite rich Mexican friends jaja. We are the some of the most happy, hardworking, and family oriented people in this world. I need to see your evidence where we hold the worst percentage of charitable in the Americas? Because every year we have charities going on year round esp. like el Teleton and el juguetón which are two of the most popular. Probably you never heard of those. And as for Mexico not being part of peace keeping missions are you for real? We have zones in our country that are being devastated by this drug war but you want to send our troops half way around the world and leave these people to fend for themselves? We need to fix our country first before we can even remotely do that. And as for changing the constitution easily, it’s easier said than done.  Esp when you have a multi-party system where Calderon can’t get anything passed, and I mean nothing. I believe your president now has the same problem jaja.

I’m sorry but to say Americans care about the world? Hell No! Maybe some Americans do what you preach but when it comes to Americans all they care about is money. That’s not only Americans but thats everyone around the world. So cut the Bullshit. Money talks bullshit walks. I know for a fact we spent more money funding our security forces than what the United States has ever provided. Compare the 1.5 billion dollars of the Plan Mexico to the 50 billion we have spent over this dumb drug war.

When I goggled “Calderon slams US” it was written or started by the associated press and then printed around the world but with change in title but the same crap. I like how those articles didn’t mention what I told you and how you didn’t even address what he said:

"These are lives that were cut so absurdly, unjustly and violently, for the evil ambition of a handful of criminals. " I also like how you forgot to mention in your little rant that he mentioned this

" I do not doubt the honesty of most judges. It is also true that the rampant impunity that prevails in the country due, also, that for one reason or another, the criminals do not get the punishment they deserve at the time of trial. It is said by the inexperience of prosecutors. It's something that we should review and, of course, correct.

But it is also possible that the corrupting power of crime has penetrated the judicial structures that are not exempt from that risk and is forced to review that possibility."

How am I “ a perfect example of why Mexico is where it is, why it cannot move forward” Like I said what a load of bullshit, if I am a perfect example of what Mexico is, then you just contradicted everything you stated in regards to education, corruption and individualism because that is not me jaja

PS. Stop writing long ass stories, its time consuming trying to reply to you. Thank you. By the way I know you like to talking to me, you can't resist me ;)
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