Mireles Ex-Wife Cartel Sympathizer?

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777
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Video of Mireles describing his relationship with new girlfriend and badmouthing the mother of his children. I'm beginning to see a pattern here. Those that Mireles disagrees with are automatically labeled as "Cartel Sympathizers". Hope I'm wrong about the guy because I try to understand him and was really looking forward to following the new National AD Movement.





Brief Summary of video:


Video starts with Mireles asking his young girlfriend if she needs any groceries.


- Mireles met the young lady at his clinic.


- Her parents allowed Mireles, a married man, to visit her at home.


- Sometime later he leaves his wife.


Here is where things get interesting. Mireles describing why he left his wife.


"She was never on-board with the AD movement. Her heroes were the Templarios. She ignored the fact that the Templarios had killed some of her family members. She always spoke highly of them. Ignoring that they killed her family members and didn't even allow for their bodies to be recovered. I offered to pay a ransom for recovering the bodies.


Reporter: What did she admire most of the Templarios?


"That they were driving new cars, had many weapons, and that they had many women chasing them. She (ex-wifey) is from Jalisco. One her relatives was a CJNG member.".


- December 2013 Young girl's parents allow her move in with Mireles.


- January 4 He picks her up in the plane. She regains consciousness at 3 am. She was very upset thinking he had abandoned her. He had to explain to her that he regained consciousness days later.


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Chivis
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he has always been open about this.  He is not divorced, his wife left when he founded the AD.
I prefer to not look at the personal life of any figure, unless it treads on legality.  this is a marriage on the rocks.  
 
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You have to admit his comments are disturbing. Calling his wife, a woman that has suffered losing family members at the hands of the Templarios, a Templario Sympathizer? This brings his character into question. With the latest development that Mora has decided to join the Rurales, I would not be surprised if Mireles comes out swinging. I have to admit that I will no longer believe everything this man has to say. Sorry. JMHO

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Chivis
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for sure you don't have to...and that fits with the plan of the gob.

one thing I know he is very open and honest and I don't think he should be with his personal life.  If you ask a question he will answer.   I think he is wrong in his thinking  at times and tell him so.  glaringly is H3 and American, and Smurf.  I did not buy they were good AD.  I knew Americano was viagras.  and Nicolas signed the get rid of Mireles document.

his wife has a close cousin with cjng.

Mireles father and brother were taken and never returned I think 2 years ago.  by CT
it is Michoacán.  that is how it is.  one group of people are endocrine to narco life by a long history and choose sides.  the other are good people living in the grip of terror.
 
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Y'all haters don't even know how to discredit Dr.M anymore.
777
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777
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/drug-cartel-members-join-mexican-militia-in-michoacan/2014/05/16/96e83026-c3c4-45b6-91b3-ee09ad205a93_story.html

Some AD members are not exactly shying away from the "rehabbed" Templario labels. For the record, I don't hate on Mireles. Like Chivis, I always questioned Mireles' openness. Not until recently would I describe his behavior as erratic. I want to see someone bring the corrupt PRI giant to it's knees. Do I believe that person is Mireles? Maybe not.

Tomorrow Victoria, Tamps will march for peace. Last week it was Tampico. I believe those kind of demonstrations are key. Putting the weight of a tired, beaten, country squarely on the shoulders of battled AD leader is not gonna save Mexico. The majority have to voice their frustrations. Guns, killings, shootings, decaps, kidnappings, dismemberment, etc.. is just another day at the office for those POS politicians.
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@777 your posts here have definitely taken an anti mireles stance of late. You are not the only one , and you are entitled to your opinion , and it is just that , your opinion. The fact that Mireles has started a national AD movement , and has the backing of prominent activist from inside mexico , including ex army general human rights supporters tells the whole story. The majority of people with any conscience back Mireles , anyone who doesn't has a different agenda including yourself. Everyone in the world has skeletons in their closet including you.

Mireles is a true underdog hero , something we much appreciate in the UK , and always have. Listen to your gut instinct , it will always be right. My gut , and the majority of people in Mexico know who is the true Ad and what their motivations are , just a shame that you don't.
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Dr. Mireles provides a focus for the hopes and efforts of the people in Mexico who are fed up with both the government and their partners, the narcos. Of course he's not perfect. Big deal.

I find it amusing that readers project some rather bizarre expectations onto Dr. Mireles: he and his wife don't get along (like a million other couples), so this affects his credibility and disqualifies him from godhood, although he has never, to my knowledge, claimed godhood; he gets involved with a young woman who is much younger and this makes him a pervert, although critics grudgingly admit that the relationship is technically legal and that her parents don't object; he appears often in the media and gives public interviews and issues political statements (which is his job, by the way), but this makes him an egomaniac. On and on and on.

One of the frequent implied criticisms is that Dr. Mireles himself is one of the government's principal critics and that, as such, he should lead a blameless life, at least the way U.S. readers define blameless. Again, big deal. The man risks his life every day and gets very little out of it. Politicians, cartel members, even former autodefensas like Papa Pirujo (intentional misspelling; look it up) are getting rich from the movement. And you criticize him for not living with his former wife and for finding a girlfriend?

And while I'm on this rant, the girlfriend issue was especially amusing. What makes any critic think that a 17 year old girl who has lived in Michoacan all her life, who has seen the violence, the extortion, the murders, the impunity, the kidnappings every day, is at the same level of maturity of your typical 17 year old high school girl in the U.S. of A.? One would think it might just be possible that this girl (technically a woman, but that's just lawyer talk) could make up her own mind, you think that is remotely possible?

I've said this before: The Mexican government, any Mexican government, is not interested in eliminating crime but in gaining control over it. One of the funniest phrases I have been hearing all my life is that crime doesn't pay, but the Mexican government firmly believes that it does. And the numbers prove them right. That is why Dr. Mireles is valuable, because he personifies the ideals of people in Mexico who are sick of this institutionalized corruption. So he's not perfect. Again, big deal. If he can land a few kicks on their testicles, he's my hero.  
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and the room falls silence :)


meeting with Hipolito, Goyo and Doc Mireles tomorrow
 
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The AD was rotten from the beginning. The cartel accusations were always there. Ever since Mireles got pushed to the side, it suddenly became a “big deal”. So let me get this straight. Last night Mora almost got bundled in with the BAD AD after an hour long meeting with Castillo? Today, just for today, he's a GOOD AD?

Give it time... Mora will be accused of being a EPN spy/infiltrator soon enough!    Ja!


Or Better yet, a Templario, all along....


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777 the new jack hawkins
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Mireles interview today on Univision 10 AM E / 9 AM C. Hope it's a live interview. So much has changed in the past week.


@Spike

jack hawkins?


Now that's a low blow. I haven't called anyone here any names. I just have different opinion about the guy.
I do not hate Mireles. I repeat... I do not hate Mireles. I just feel he's made some questionable comments and has a tendency to flip out and go off the rails every now and then. Those decisions probably hurt the movement more than being infested with "remorseful" Templars.

The fact that people have to come on here with the name calling because someone has a different opinion is very frustrating. I took the time to give a brief summary on a video for NON-SPANISH speaking/reading fellow BB readers. I shared my opinion on said video. And suddenly that's Jawk Hawkins Trollish behavior?


GROW UP!





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Chivis
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ok...I thought all was calmed down...
I thought Lopez was eloquent and spot on in his comment.

1.  spike is far from Jack H.  Jack H is a troll.  and his true colors came out as he was trying to bait anyone, on either side of any issue.  so he was banned.  He attempted to come on to mainboard and mainboarders do not like him, I spammed him.

2.  777 has not been out of the bounds of ordinary difference of opinion.  He has never been rude that I can remember, and is respectful to me.  

3.  I have to agree Dr Mireles DOES say some cringe-worthy comments at times, but it comes from his honesty, he doesn't hold back.  He is not always correct, and we don't always agree, as I already stated.  But I have excellent sources both sides the border, and I feel he is in for honorable reasons.  

His 18 year girlfriend is not important to me, that is his business.  that is Mexico.  But I did tell him this ; I never speak to you, or ask of you personal issues, that doesn't interest me, but I wonder if the movement is better served by answering to questions asked about your personal life, by saying your personal life is not an issue with AD, so that attention will not be focus on the novela instead of the people of Michoacán.

He says it is his way to answer honestly and directly, of questions posed to him, he is sorry that it has been such a big deal .  But he was asked, and simply answered.  

That is who he is.  before and after the plane crash, he is the same person I have come to know to a degree.

Trust me, I argue with him.  I ask for proof.  and shocked sometimes when I get it.  I have many documents.  many photos, vids email copies etc.  If I am unsure or do not agree I say so.  but that is not often.

When I asked him about the trophy photo I was in a hurry, as always and it did not read well, "Manuel, is there  a trophy foto from the caleta shootings of you holding a head"

he is always so calm,,,overlooking my abrupt and rude question he sent me the foto and the explanation. I kept the foto for two days before publishing it, BB was the first to do so.   no one in their right mind would think of it as a trophy foto.  the Caleta AD and Mireles were set up.  It was to be his downfall.  But it failed this time.

Bottom line if you think I am promoting one person, you are insanely mistaken, my work for a decade has always been for the good of the people not person.  Mireles is not perfect, he is human, not a saint. but he is unlike any other I have seen in Mexico...he calls the bullshit, lays out the truth, no matter what, and backs it up.  He lives in the same home, drives the same vehicles and has not benefitted by the recovered properties, ranches lemon or avocado groves confiscated by AD from CT. as Americano, as 5 as smurf.  

He does not allow reformed criminals in his groups, as smurf.  

But he is human, things will surface that matter to his detractors, but so far nothing that has  mattered to me.  I can not imagine how it would be to give ones self to a cause, lose your family, betrayed by friends and compadres and have your every move picked apart by naysayers and the PRI machine including SOME authors, journalists and media.  

You want to see how the people feel?  look at the thosands of  people following Michoacan social media sites, Michoacana in the home state and California read what they say.  See how they feel.
 
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777
@Chivis Thank You! Thank You! Thank You!

You are the voice of reason here. I have one question. If you don't mind me asking, I know you're busy. What was Mireles' initial reaction when he was confronted on the "marijuana" growing accusations? Today in the interview with Jorge Ramos, I think he said something along the lines of being tortured into admitting guilt, when the incident occurred. Is that true? Its weird because he says he doesn't have any criminal record. Was that admission of guilt thrown out? Did he sue the state? What he said today was new to me. Maybe I missed that somewhere in the BB vault? jejeje

 
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Chivis
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the mj arrest?  is that still news?
ok.  I did ask long ago.  I don't want to re ask him at this point, he is so busy right now.
but I will look through my emails from him.  it seems I asked him in the very beginning, he has addressed this several times publically.  

If I don't answer it please feel free to remind me in a couple of days, I do want to answer your questions.

I know he was arrested for playing pool, a crime back in the day.  I don't know if it still is, Pepe maybe can tell us.

Pepe  if you are lurking...do you recall about the mj arrest?  and is pool playing still illegal?

 
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Chivis
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BTW....

Vato just translated a loooooooong assed article from punto tres cero michoacan
it is an interview with Mireles.  a detailed account of many things....

I had sent the 5 page meeting notes of the indigenous peoples of pomaro meeting that Mireles was at on April 27th when Castillo smurf and gang tried to set up the doctor.  doc Mireles sent to me.

the meeting was over 2 hours away.  anyway I uploaded to scribd

he sent the notes to 5 people he trusts, Carmen aristegui,  Pricilla of Grillonautas, michoacan 3.0, chivis of BB and one other.

vato asked if I would post them on his post and I did.  but I wanted to explain that.

 
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TODAY

Hipolito, father Goyo and Doc M are in a meeting. in Apatzingán.
later mora will attend a rally in Ruana which already the place is filling up with thousands of people.

and reporters.

I am not sure if Mireles will attend.  I think it is moras moment.  

large crowds are following him everywhere.

 
 
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