Lucy's death from Blog del Narco

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mik
I used google translate and it seemed to me I could understand most of what it said.
(It's 2000 words, a lot of translating!)
It's a breakthrough that the mx. media have picked up that the "Lucy" story is all self-promoting make-believe, and pretty transparent at that. I hate to see BDN hyped well beyond what it is by gullible UK papers and an idiot book publisher.
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Chivis
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Mik...your my buddy but honestly weren't you one of the people in support of BDN and the book?
 
The way I see it.... the more people that don't like me, the less people I have to please
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Re: Lucy's death from Blog del Narco

Chivis
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well check out blogdrugtrafficker.com
it is an exact copy of our blog in real time taken from our RSS feed
a fe of us have been preaching about this for years
 
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_The Magician_
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Has anyone ever read this on Mundo? Their excuse for copying other people's work is there. They have no shame at all! PINCHES SINVERGUENZAS!!!

Acerca de:

El Blog del Narco esta funcionando desde el 2 de Marzo del 2010 bajo la administración de un solo escritor al cual le llama la atención como los narcotraficantes astutamente se ganan la vida (Matando, Secuestrando, Mutilando, vendiendo estupefacientes y demás), y se la quitan a otras. Su fuente de información mas importante son las personas.

La idea de crear Blog del Narco surge cuando los medios de comunicación y el gobierno intentan aparentar que en México NO PASA NADA, debido a que los medios están amenazados y el Gobierno aparentemente comprado, fue que decidimos crear un medio de comunicación con el cual podamos dar a conocer a la gente que es lo que pasa, redactar los acontecimientos exactamente tal cual fueron, sin alteraciones o modificaciones a nuestra conveniencia.

Blog del Narco no esta en contra o a favor de ningún grupo delictivo, tampoco tiene la intención de ofender o incomodar a la sociedad solo se publican notas de manera periodística.
Nos puedes encontrar en las Redes Sociales como Twitter, Facebook, Youtube.
(En Youtube tenemos varios canales debido a que nos bloquean las cuentas)

En MUNDONARCO.com o blog del narco no contratamos ejecutados para que posen en la foto ni indemnizamos a sus familias para considerar las notas e imágenes como propias y exclusivas al marcarlas como tales.

Tampoco ha sido, ni es, ni será nunca nuestra intención la de competir con las grandes empresas que se dedican al 100% a publicar las noticias locales, estatales y nacionales por lo cual, suponemos, les pagan.

Nos referimos concretamente a que son empleados que sólo cumplen órdenes. Acá es distinto… Podemos quizá, ser "piratas", pero jamás peones ni esclavos. Somos libres y como tal nos expresamos. No servimos a ningún tipo de interés ni estamos a los pies de nadie. Ni nos pagan por publicar o dejar de publicar tal y cual cosa según nos convenga. Ni lo hacemos bajo ningún tipo de presión o amenaza, mucho menos compramos o vendemos al mejor postor.

Somos concientes que sólo somos un blog “casero”, cuya finalidad es la de informar (lamentablemente para muchos), con mucha mayor eficacia, veracidad y mejor documentación que la de muchos otros sitios y periodistas profesionales. Esforzándonos hasta en detalles como el corregir la ortografía, redacción y el diseño de “los grandes”, para que sea el lector quien resulte beneficiado al ser debidamente informado y no a medias o condicionado.

Tampoco nadie nos puede reprochar el leer una nota sin el debido crédito a quien la publicó primeramente.

Somos de la idea, tal vez errónea, de que todo cuanto sea publicado en la red, pasa a ser de dominio público y que estará al alcance de quien quiera acceder a ello. De otra forma no estaría ahí. Además, el verdadero protagonista de una noticia es quien formó parte de ella y no quien la dio a conocer, según nuestro particular punto de vista.

Todo esto en alusión a quienes se “desgarran” las vestiduras con notas y fotos "exclusivas" que al final de cuentas, copiaron de o terminaron compartiendo con otros.

"Si tanto defienden “lo exclusivo y propio”, ¿Para qué publicarlo..?" <---- No shame at all...

¿O el detenido, el secuestrado, el ejecutado o sus familias reciben pago o regalías por ello como lo hace cualquier artista de moda al conceder una entrevista o fotos verdaderamente exclusivas? Estamos seguro que no.

Podemos también asegurar que ninguno de los que son parte de una nota, pide posar para la foto y mucho menos ser parte de una noticia… Claro, como en todo, con sus contadas excepciones… y eso, en muchas ocasiones, se termina pagando con la vida...

Este es un modesto blog que no pretende engañar a nadie. No es una agencia noticiosa y a pesar de ello, está mucho mejor documentado e informa mejor que muchas de ellas. Desde su encabezado reitera que toma lo mejor de unos sitios y enriquece la información con otros. Y si hasta quienes se consideran defensores de sus "propios y exclusivos" detenidos, ejecutados, "levantados", heridos, secuestrados, liberados, accidentados, encarcelados y una gran lista de etcéteras, voltean a vernos, se incomodan al visitarnos o simplemente checan lo que hacemos, es señal que no lo estamos haciendo mal...

¡Gracias por leernos... y seguiremos informando!


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Re: Lucy's death from Blog del Narco

Chivis
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Lucy is a character created to generate a more sympathetic story.  

As for BDT they were off line for a few months and reappeared
 
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mik
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mik
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Chivis wrote
Mik...your my buddy but honestly weren't you one of the people in support of BDN and the book?
Hi Chivis, I'm supportive of BDN because I don't like censorship and BDN exists in part as a way around the censorship that rules in mx. That's the only reason I'm supportive, but it's a very big reason.
Not supportive of the book, or of the Lucy story because I think the story is made up, or of BDN's franchise system because I find that confusing and dishonest, or the dishonest way they try to pretend that all the stories on the blog are all their own hard work and no-one elses.

P.S. I don't think the journalists and newspapers/other-reporting-websites will want to challenge BDN directly over the plagiarism issue because everybody is too intent on keeping a low profile, not to upset the cartels. Nobody wants to bring attention to themselves.
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Chivis
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You have misinterpreted how Mexican journalists feel.  I don't know what line of work you are in but if you can imagine one stealing your work and earning money off that work which BDN has done for years how would you feel?  Your argument is wishy washy, you cannot have it both ways because the book itself IS using the work of others.

This is not a case of censorship and that argument is also greatly flawed, these are posts written by mainstream journalists who have not been censored, they have been stolen for the publications they work for.

When the book came out I knew this made up character would be "killed".  Because there is no Lucy.  What was especially upsetting is they claimed the couple killed and hanged in Nvo Laredo worked for them, which is a lie, that couple was found to have no connection to blogging and were picked up outside a movie theater and used as props
 
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K_Mennem
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There is no overall censorship in Mexico. A handful of newspapers have shut down the criminal reporting for the safety of their workers. Most major papers report on crime everyday, a large portion of those use the reporters name on the article (a few do simply put STAFF). Many of these papers do not have much online content, so if you are never in Mexico you will never see it.

Organized crime is not lashing out everyday against journalists reporting crime. Organized crime has lashed out against investigative reporters, often those reporters found themselves too deep in a network of criminal informants.
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K_Mennem
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I have a huge stack of pages like this. You can pick them up any day in a major Mexican city at a newsstand. You dont even see this in the US.

 These are where many of BDN steals their photos from...they are not getting them from anonymous sources!

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K_Mennem
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Chivis did you know http://HispanicallySpeakingNews.com has a section on their site for BDN. They say they are exclusive English distributors to their material or some BS.

I wrote something for them years ago. Recently I tried to comment on the articles and the forum to give them shit. Nothing was ever approved. I emailed the old editor I had contact with but I think shes gone. They are out of Chicago I believe.
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Re: Lucy's death from Blog del Narco

K_Mennem
sorry to beat this thread to a pulp, but just saw this.

Michel Marizco wrote this for Univision (his name is not on it but he claimed it on Twitter). It calls out BDN. Talking of the usual, on how they have copy and pasted for years.

http://noticias.univision.com/narcotrafico/noticias/article/2013-05-21/periodistas-acusan-blog-narco-copiar-informacion#axzz2TrdtdMF5

BDN responded on Twitter to Univision. Michel jumped in.



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Chivis
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I am slowly but surely becoming a Michel fan...of sorts :)
the guy kills me.  Tho I thought he was too obsessed, I mean after we dropped it he could not, but now I am smiling and appreciating him a bit more.

I wonder if "BDN" will actually answer what part is false.  

interesting.
 
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mik
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Re: Lucy's death from Blog del Narco

mik
This post was updated on .
@ chivis, @ k mennem:
Both of you bring up interesting points. Have to go to work now, will respond when I get home.
mik.

P.S. see -->
http://www.sdpnoticias.com/nacional/2013/05/22/acusan-a-lucy-del-blog-del-narco-de-plagio-ella-lo-desmiente-en-twitter
mik
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Re: Lucy's death from Blog del Narco

mik
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Hi Chivis and K. Mennem:
I was under the strong impression that journalists in mx. were operating under a rule of self-imposed censorship because of intimidation from the cartels. There are loads of newspaper stories on the internet that give this impression. For example:

"A small army of bloggers and tweeters is filling the gaps left by traditional media in Mexico that are increasingly limiting their coverage of the country's drug wars because of pressure from the cartels.
[[..snip..]]
Tamaulipas is one of the most intense battlegrounds of the drug wars being fought in Mexico between the federal forces and at least seven cartels.
Gun fights lasting hours, grenade attacks in shopping streets, military swoops on suspected kingpins — all ignored. Six local journalists in one city disappeared in two days, and there was hardly a word from their terrified colleagues ...
and so on ..."

As you both point out, this is not the case.
OK, so I agree, BDN are scumbags through and through and they certainly do not merit a defence because they are breaking a censorship embargo.

Chivis wrote
You have misinterpreted how Mexican journalists feel.  I don't know what line of work you are in but if you can imagine one stealing your work and earning money off that work which BDN has done for years how would you feel?  Your argument is wishy washy, you cannot have it both ways because the book itself IS using the work of others.
Sorry, Chivis, I know how strongly you feel about BDN using published reports without giving credit to the original author, and I agree with all that you say. My comment saying I thought the journalists would rather "lie low" than confront BDN was solely based on the fact that no-one had done so up to now, and that intimidation would be a major factor in whether they decided to confront BDN or not.

In a sense the English language press are perpetrating a lie, that mx. journalism is in a far worse state than it really is.
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