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Bones
I hear a lot of people shouting about legalizing drugs, and I'm curious how they would plan on implementing it. There isnt any country on this planet where "drugs are legal". Would you want drugs like cocaine and meth to be legal? Or just marijuana? And who would sell these drugs? Would it just be simple "decriminalization" and the dealers would still sell it just without criminal charges? Or would the government/private industry step in to regulate it, and sell drugs at liquor stores or pharmacies? Im interested to hear any ideas people have.
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I am all for the legalization of Marijuana, it has medical uses and in my opinion it is not addictive or as dangerous as alcohol. But I don't see how anyone can justify legalizing the other addictive drugs like cocaine, heroin & meth. I can't even see a Doctor prescribing any of those drugs to anyone for anything if that would be the scenario.
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Chivis
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Hola Bones..

"Just MJ"  gets my vote
for a million different, sensible, logical reasons.  I have studied this issue until I can't stomach anymore.
I have intended to write an article about my research, when I began I was against legalizing MJ but soon changed my mind...I feel the many states that have legalized MJ for medical purpose are a precursor to legal mj for persoanl use

Did You Know??

17 states have medical mj
10 additional have medical mj pending

no one ever died from a mj overdose;
Joycelyn Elders, MD, former US Surgeon General, wrote the following in her Mar. 26, 2004 editorial published in the Providence Journal:
"Unlike many of the drugs we prescribe every day, marijuana has never been proven to cause a fatal overdose"

For some users, perhaps as many as 10 per cent, cannabis leads to psychological dependence, but there is scant evidence that it carries a risk of true addiction. Unlike cigarette smokers, most users do not take the drug on a daily basis

Unlike for nicotine, alcohol and hard drugs, there is no clearly defined withdrawal syndrome, the hallmark of true addiction, when use is stopped....

WHeeas Mj has not ever been the primary cause of death it has been a secondary cause in the sense that it was one of multiple drugs found in autopsy with the primary cause being well defined and not mj.
In a 10 period apx 500 cases of one of the secondary drugs

However!
Lets compare that with typical FDA approve drugs..lets keep it simple and use only drugs being primary cause in the same 10 year (97-2007)

Reglan   72
Halodol   910
Viagra  4453
total for 17 of the popular FDA drugs is a whopping 22,687 deaths and primary cause

From the American College of Physicians:

ACP strongly supports exemption from federal criminal prosecution; civil liability; or professional sanctioning, such as loss of licensure or credentialing, for physicians who prescribe or dispense medical marijuana in accordance with state law. Similarly, ACP strongly urges protection from criminal or civil penalties for patients who use medical marijuana as permitted under state laws."

The UCLA Study found no assoication between MJ and lung cancer...(however UK found 5-7 MJ cigs equals 20 tobacco cigs and equals the same danger...you be the judge...the gov of UK or UCLA?)
and yet the UK introduced salvitex a cannabis spray for muscle spasms in 2010...

Once Con to Medical Mj...now the  American Medical Asociation is neither pro or con and has called for studies:
Our AMA urges that marijuana's status as a federal Schedule I controlled substance be reviewed with the goal of facilitating the conduct of clinical research and development of cannabinoid-based medicines, and alternate delivery methods  (2010)

Have I bored you yet?  sorry...I will stop and wait for the day I construct an article


But I want to say that it is said 60% of all drug use in the US...that may be an exaggeration but even if it is 50 or 40  imagine how it would effect the MDC business?  We can grown it better here in the states in Cal-Wa-Ore.  and
It will be controlled
taxed
curb drug disputes
police-courts-jails would be free to deal with more serious crimes
The FDA or others would regulate quality and safety
MJ busts can propel young people into a flawed system that can create life long criminals
Legalization means lower price so related crimes would be reduced

There are a handful of countries that have taken a drastic approach and legalized all drugs with mixed success, however all are very small countries

In closing I am against legalization of all drugs...only MJ

I do not nor ever done drugs, my my children did MJ when they were young, and they are wonderful, productive, college educated human beings all are or have been civil servants, they out grew the MJ use which MOST people do in their 20s or 30s...not all but the majority.  Most of my family does not even drink alcohol...ever, (Buela likes a glass of pinot grigio or bottle of Bohemia once in a long while) but this is an issue that must be studied, it is our responsibilty.  We cannot blanket state not to legalized something unless we know why.

and this article about seniors smoking pot...why not?  they were the ones who perfected its use in the 60s..lol

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-6231423-504083.html

DISCLAIMER...FOTO IS NOT ME NOR ANYONE I KNOW...never tried the stuff...mainly because it was illegal the foto is just some silliness from a convention upcomming in socal
 
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BEE!!!!...puff puff pass..jajjaaa
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imjustagirl
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I am so glad you brought this up. I, too, have been wondering how decriminalization/legalization might best be facilitated.  If possession is decriminalized, then wouldn't sales be decriminalized? And if so would there be any limit? Would it be sold as alcohol is, to people of verifiable majority and in unlimited quantities?  Instead of running down to the liquor store, might one run to the weed store? Would one be allowed to operate heavy equipment under the influence, or what amount would constitute DUI? Could it be imported from Mexico in limited amounts, as alcohol is?
I admit there are holes, inconsistencies and problems with the treatment of alcohol sales and use in the US, but it is the only model with which I am intimately familiar.
I am talking about weed only.
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Bones
Personally I tend to agree with everyone's views towards legalizing marijuana. If not legalized, definitely decriminalized, I dont think anyone should be prosecuted for MJ. At the same time, I dont think legalization would have a noticeable affect on the cartels whatsoever. For an organization that is known to recruit new members by force, hijack vehicles off the street, and hide assault rifles in the desert by the truck load, I dont think legalizing marijuana would make much of a difference. Cartels would most likely keep making money with different drugs or in different ways, or just simply absorb the hit.
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Chivis
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.poor el regio is captain jim and swanka...but i am sure everyone has figured that out..
I saw on my posts where once was capt jim it changed to poor el regio...silly man
 
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imjustagirl
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I'm afraid you're right.
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but he is sooo clever..but not sooo.creative ...but regio should be flattered that someone has imitated his moniker....even i don't rate that ..soy celoso..jajajjaa
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Bones
Heroin is less dangerous than alcohol should we legalize that too
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Chivis
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First  I need to know are you serious?  because it is unlike you to be a wise-ass...so I think I will address this comment as serious..

Heroin is not a safe drug.  VERY unsafe and not as safe as alcohol.  Why?  because alcohol is regulated and we know exactly what is in the bottle as far as content...

Heroin is very addictive...

Here is the standard:  if the drug is safe in the sense that no OD deaths have occurred with its use I think that is something to look at. (primary)

HOWEVER:  I am for decriminalization of heroin for small amts (personal use)  still a crime for trafficking etc

 
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Havana
Hi Buela: I'll weigh in here, as I've had so little time lately to give my dos centavos..Sure, hurry up and legalize marijuana and make sure to use the money from it, taxes etc. for social programs. So many services have been cut. It is vital that money be put towards drug education and treatment.  There were and are more alcoholics after prohibition than before. If they figured out how to put a man on the moon surely this can be solved.  Plus legalization would mean cartels would take a big hit. And that would cause endless cheering in my house.  But there would have to be regulation on heroin because of its completely addictive nature. It doesn't give users a chance to decide if they want to be an addict before they become addicted.  Anything that doesn't give freedom of choice should be regulated.  With regulation, quality would be consistent. Many heroin ODs are caused because street heroin varies in quality and occasionally a particularly strong, barely cut batch comes in (for one reason or another)and leaves a trail of dead junkies in its wake. This is one of the reasons heroin is not safe.
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Chivis
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You are absolutely correct...about the heroin killing because of the unknown strength.
I am not for legalizing street drugs other than MJ.  but def decriminalize drugs.

People do not know that Mx quietly decriminalized drugs a while back.  so quiet that drug users are still being busted for amts that are within the legal limitation.

It is ineffective and a burden on our prison system to imprison addicts.  Makes no sense.  Money would be better spent offering rehab and decriminalizing drugs.
 
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Chivis
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Hola Mano...

I aggree and dissagree.  Since the topic was DRUGS, it is illogical to say it will not have an effect on drug trafficking from MOC-MDC into the US.  Our demand is overwhelming MJ;the majority of drugs consummed by Americans.  The Q was not contraband other than drugs. If Drugs are 40-50 or as US states 60% MJ of total drug use than it is an empty argument to say it will not have an effect.

WHere I do agree with you, sort of, is for 2 years cartels have began the process of diversification and some MDC now have up to 40% of their "product line" other than drugs.  One can sell drugs once, but sell a woman 20+ times a day...

Priracy software
priracy DVD
human trafficking for the sex trade
human trafficking
kidnapping
fuel theft

are some of the outstanding diversification.  none of which impacts the US in the same way as drugs.
But it does create a greater effect on Mx and other countries.

To refer to MDC ot MDTs is really in error long ago they became (the larger organizations) MOC  or Mx Org Crime groups because of the great diversification.
 
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What do you mean legalize drugs?   Micheal Jackson was able to get anything he wanted legally.   What the debate is about is making them availble for the rest of society.   If you can not afford a Doctor to get you what you need then I guess you have to goto the street and take your chances that what you are buying does not kill you.   Some people will do anything to get them, and some will do anything to profit from the weakness of others.   Why not remove the criminal markings and just sell them at the grocery store with proper adult id and a heavy tax to fund the rehab centers needed to fix the people taking them.  We seem to tolerate alcoholics, what is the big deal with letting people who are going to destroy their life anyway, get what they want and at least it will be more in the open and we can deal with the issues that way.
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Bones
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So what about oxycontin? Can we legalize that? We know the strength - its printed right on the pill.

I'm not trying to nit pick, just trying to bring up some counterpoints. Alcohol is addictive, its dangerous, and people are more likely to commit violent crimes while under the influence of alcohol than they are on any other drug.
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ArmChairIntellect
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Buela you made my day.  I actually live in a state where Medical Marijuana is legal.  I can honestly say it has caused little to no harm and has actually become valuable tax revenue for our state.  I would say as far as pot goes it is essential harmless when compared to alcohol or other drugs.  On another note Oxycotin addiction in the US is at an all time high, anybody want to talk about that?  I am just curious, how does one define a good drug?  Who should decide what is good for us or bad?  Should anyone decide that?  As Buela stated there are far more dangerous drugs out there that are legal.  I'm a psychologist and I can say that many of the drugs we prescribe have the potential to have severe adverse effects.  Many drugs such as Lunesta actually have proven to be no more effective than the control or minimally show any effect.    
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ArmChairIntellect
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Bones to answer your question, you will never rid the world of addiction.  It is part of of being human, we all have our addictions.  What needs to happen is education and rehabilitation.  Even then you are talking about a 50 50 chance of recovery.  You will always have the problems that come with addictions, mostly petty crime.  So at the end of the day the real question who do you want to make money off of this?  You only have three options, government, criminals or entrepreneurs.  Me, personally, I would rather take the capitalistic or governmental approach, fuck criminals.
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