Tobacco also seems to be up there with droping bodies a year. you dont see other countrys coming in and creating an agency and saying the US has a tabacco problem ??now i can make an estimate on how much a year that bogus agency would spend a year but its not necessary is it ?or is tobacco and obesity considered natural cause death in your eyes 👀
Ronald McDonnald, excellent well thought out argument. Was 9/11 an inside job too? So the CIA makes a billion a year selling drugs and the us government spend 100 times that to stop it. I will be nice and just say that you’re probably 100% on that and your talents are wasted here instead of running a big fund on the corner of Wall and Broadway.
I would be putting on wall street clinic for dummies if i had all the corrupt officials and banks on my side .sombody said huachicoleros but venezuela is big leagues of huachicolero made up shell commpany buying 50 million dollar homes in the US .but thats not on paper .hope mica beleives me
The whole CIA, no. Do people in the US Government turn a blind eye when some of their shadier allies are involved in drug trafficking, yes. Off the books funding baby. It's not a conspiracy theory. It happens. Is that not corruption?
Oh and 9/11 was carried out by Sunni Saudi's, well 15 out of the 19, and the US reaction to that attack was to go after to the enemies of the Sunni Saudi's, those countries being Iran, Iraq and Syria. You know Saudi Arabia right, the country where a prince blatantly orders the murder of a journalist. Again not a conspiracy theory, just facts. And the US, and by US I mean the people that matter in the US, is not going to do a thing about it because 1) they are a ally in the region and 2) Saudi's have a lot money tied up with the US. Is that not corruption? How do you think the US reaction would of been if Iran killed a Washington Post journalist.
As for the middle class, that is dying out. The middle class I believe is being held up by old wealth from the time the US emerged as the world's super power after world war 2. That's going away, unless there is another big industry boom.
Plus I never believe those numbers about the cost to the US do to drug use. What are health cost to US because people are not getting enough exercise? Or not eating right? What about the injuries do to exercise? Hundreds of billions also? Meaningless numbers. I could make every health issue affecting the US cost hundreds of billions if I tried hard enough.
I also don't think people using Portugal as an example to the US's drug use problem is helpful. Two different countries in different parts of the world. Just the population difference alone makes me dismiss the notion that what Portugal is doing will give the US some insight to how to manage a drug use problem with its people.
Lastly, I remember when I was a young kid and Michoacan to me was considered safer than Los Angeles. The US had a major crime boom from late 60s to the 90s. Again I believe this county's wealth, being able to pay for a much better equipped police force and federal agencies, helped a lot in countering that. Making MS-13 to be some big threat to the US by some media is stupid, but that's not the case in Central America, they are a serious problem over there. Point being that Mexican criminal organizations make enough money to have the resources to challenge the State. That was never the case when crime went up in that time frame I mentioned in the US, and around same time the US poured money into the police and feds. After 9/11, and the Oklahoma City bombing to a lesser extent, the Government gave even more money to the police forces in the country.
@Chivis: I dug through some archives and found a La Jornada article from 8 February 2001.
It says he was convicted of bribery on 26 September 1994 by a court in Mexico City, and then convicted of organized crime involvement on 29 November 1996 (the sentence was ratified on 30 April 1997). It seems like the 20 years and 9-month conviction was a mistake by the prosecution since they were trying to convict him of bribery twice and were committing double jeopardy. The article says El Chapo was officially convicted of an accumulated 13 years while in Mexico (7 for bribery and 6 for organized crime involvement), but he only faced 7 years and 7 months because he escaped in 2001.
Not sure if this is evidence is good enough. It's hard to find stuff that happened in the pre-Internet information era, but I'll keep an eye and let you know.
1 country has law and order the other doesn't.That is the difference.This is a pretty interesting discussion going on here with statistics and valid points like NEW HERE mentions.Not to change the subject as you can jump right back in but on the lighter side thought some of you might want a few good laughs on crime as so few subjects on here are laughable but some of the dumbest things criminals have done got a few chuckles out of me especially the 3rd 1 here had me almost in stitches from laughing so hard but there is definitely some good 1's here!