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Bjeff
José Manuel Mireles, AUC leader in Michoacan, revealed that an envoy of Ismael "El Mayo" Zambada, offered support in their struggle to fight the Knights Templar , but he did not accept.

In the second part of the interview with journalist Carmen Aristegui, on CNN, the leader of the AUC said:

"Do you think we have not received any intentions of support from other cartels ?, every day ... a person arrived, he said 'I come and greet myself at your service, "I said to see why?, I have six helicopter gunships when you need them . It came from Sinaloa , Mayo Zambada told me, I told him who's El Mayo?, to which the envoy said do not you know who El Mayo is, he is the father of El Chapo , "  he said.

In addition, the community leader spoke about the guards in the newspaper Excelsior, which claimed he was in prison for drug trafficking and that there is a "dark side" in his life. In this regard, he said they were trying to defame him, like a politician, but he is not afraid of the press.

As to how they get their weapons, he said "the government has not helped us with cartridges or logistically, "but acknowledged that when a commander communities comes give it a radio frequency in which they are and so listen when they go to a showdown, if the Army comes before the commander says, "this is our job boys, return to their trenches, we take care."

But he declared: "We have never worked together in an operation , I say we work alongside. "

After the crash he suffered at the beginning of this year, members of the Army took care of Mireles. Response, said he accepted this aid "the reward offered for my Templar "," since "nowhere'm sure."

Regarding the current situation in Michoacán, Alfredo Castillo after being appointed as commissioner of the federal government, insisted that the guards disarm when  "will deliver the seven major heads (Templar)"

About Servando Gómez Martínez "Tuta", said they have already said the government "where today sleeps, where morning sleep, where you sleep after tomorrow" and do not stop. "I see this man (Alfredo Castillo) with empty hands , I do not see you bring the magic wand, "he said.

What happened in Antunez said that the Army came to disarm the paramilitaries , there was a confrontation and killed innocent and even though the government did not confirm the death of a child, only they know who buried.

"To be clear we are a general council, that the people must continue to defend only, while the Mexican state of Michoacan or not take responsibility , if we meet tomorrow what they are promising, we have to be armed "

He emphasized that just like the government took control of Lázaro Cárdenas, should do it with the other municipalities but regrets that do not. He said Nazario Moreno, "El Chayo", I do not stop because you say that "is paying."

And he said that there are only Templars in Tierra Caliente, no other cartel.

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http://aristeguinoticias.com/2201/mexico/el-mayo-zambada-ofrecio-apoyar-a-autodefensas-mireles-en-cnn/
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P@RR@ND3RO
Chapo's dad??? Damn thats a new lol
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El?2012
It doesn't mean his biological father it means that hes the main man and el chapo is under him basically like the god father
Libertad y paz en Michoacán!!
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Robo1234
I believe the word was comparde
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aliasrojo
Long time lurker, 1st time poster...
I have speculated long time ago that el mayo seems to be above el chapo. If in fact he said that's his father/godfather he just might prove my speculation.
 First of all it has been speculated that el chapo is some type of decoy, he attracts the heat being the worlds or mexicos most wanted while el mayo and el azul have heat but not as much. Sure now el mayo is taking blows or atleast making it seem like this, or could it be that the us finally noticed and are going after the bigger fish el mayo and el azul. Keep in mind that el azul is el mayos godfather and if mayo falls it probably won't be long for azul to fall as well.
El chapo and el mayo got into the game pretty much around the same time. El chapo in the 3 decades he's been around has been captured once, and after the escape has been close to being captured lots of times. El mayo said it himself in the interview with Julio Scherer while him not as much. Decoy much?
El mayo on the other hand in the 3 decades he's been in the game has never been captured. Sure his dynasty has but not him. Same with el chapo's dynasty. Is it that el mayo has more or better guarantee's/political connections?
Last but not least I have friends and family in sinaloa, and I've been told by them that el mayo is more commonly reffered to as 'el padrino' or 'the godfather'. El chapo reffered as 'el tio'/' el primo' or 'the uncle'/' the cousin'.
Being nicknamed the godfather in the drug game especially in mexico says a lot.
Godfather of who? The various chiefs under him or el chapo or both?
The uncle of who? The various nephew's? The cousin is obvious, the beltran leyva.
Am I the only one who has speculated this?
Curious to hear what you guys think. Thanks.
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Tijuano
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He does say "El Papa del Chapo".

I don´t think he would misinterpret compadre for padre. that´s just an expression to say Mayo is more powerful than Chapo which I do believe.

I´ve always thought Mayo is the real #1 leader in CDS, not Chapo, not Azul, Mayo is the one who had all the logistics when Chapo was in jail, Mayo is the one who(along BLO) protected Chapo when he got out, Mayo is the one moving all the CDS weight through TJ.

IMHO Chapo is the face for CDS leadership, Mayo is the real leader.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
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Tijuano
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I share your point of view

Just ask who is the "plaza owner" of Culiacan, it ain´t Chapo.

Mayo has been around all the big guys, Felix Gallardo, Amado Carrillo, the Arellanos, Azul, all of them have worked with Mayo and he has never been captured, that must tell you something about his connections.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
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aliasrojo
Also what's going on now with mayo taking blows is nothing out of the ordinary. This happened back in the 2004-2007 when his chiefs were captured or killed, Javier Torres Felix, chalo araujo payan, Raul meza ontiverios and a couple well known low ranking sicarios. Its almost as if he cleans out his structure when ever things seem to be getting hot. The guys very smart, goes to show how well experienced he is in the drug game.
Rumor over in sinaloa is that when his chiefs make a mistake he has an offer given to them, either you get knocked and take the heat like a man or get picked up by his men. The first depending on the mistake either the gov't kills you or captures you.
Jt gets captured(mistake must have not been as much to get killed for), chalo takes the easy way, Raul almost gets picked up but resists and gets killed.
Now el ondeado or m1 gets killed by gov't forces, el macho prieto goes out like a man obviously by gov't forces and el chino trys to flee and almost does but doesn't get too far. Chino and el mp were co-conspirators and something tells me their mistake has something to do with serafin.
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ToPHeR
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It's makes sense also if you consider Chapo's recent health issues...
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P@RR@ND3RO
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I agree that chapo is like the image of CDS but disagree with you on mayo being #1.  El azul is the one running the show, he is a true old school boss, not much propaganda, keeps himself under the radar, and most important doesn't go to war "a lo pendejo". Azul is a very smart man.
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aliasrojo
I agree. Azul is el mayos godfather. He got him into the business and mentored him that's why el mayo has a low profile. Notice how when the Guadalajara cartel sank el azul started working with the Juarez cartel and el mayo followed. When Juarez sank el azul whent to sinaloa and you guessed it, el mayo followed.
Imagine if the rumor was true that el mayo and chapo infact are at war even though i highly doubt it, who would win? My guess el mayo.
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El_Cuatro_Veinte
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Mayo has always been more politically inclined. Dude is aware and knows the elimination of the CT is only good for business and now even more if they made an alliance with BLO. They should just declare and all out war against them. You have to understand the relationships of how a cartel operates in the territory they control. My friend thinks that this Autodefensa movement is going to spill over into the other states, I dissagree and I hope im wrong. The AD and CT used to live in peace and it was only when they started taxing and raping when they got fed up. They're message is clear they only want a secure "Michoacan". The Sinaloa Mafia and the people who live in their territory are able to co-exist they turn a blind eye and sometimes even join in their criminal activities with money laundering, casinos and minus the weekly killing nobody would dare to revolt against them.
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Pariente
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Interesting article and interesting comments. Mayo calling himself " El Papa del Chapo " wouldn't be impossible to imagine. Like Tijuano mentioned, it has been documented that MZ along side the BLO brothers helped out Chaps alot when he was locked up. Would it be hard to imagine that Chaps holds a huge amount of respect towards MZ? Can't forget El Azul as well, but I have always taken his approach as he doesn't like the thrown. He is happy with making his paper in his ways and he is just about moving weight by the bulk and you can take the spotlight.
" La palabara es plata, el silencio es oro "
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Bones
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Dont know if im buying the whole Mayo is Chapo's boss thing. The whole organizational structure of CDS is based more on independently operating cells. Why wouldnt the high level guys operate the same way? Chapo does his thing, Mayo does his thing, sometimes they work together, sometimes they dont. Clearly Chapo, Azul, and Mayo have all been in the game long enough to have their own connects and their own operatives. They dont really need to take orders from each other, or anybody. Its probably a full time job just keeping from getting caught.

Even if Mayo was Chapo's boss, is THIS how we would find out? His first time he spills the beans officially is to the autodefensas? More like we are just hearing a story 3rd hand. El Mayo tells some guys to deliver a message to Miereles, that guy tells some other guy who actually meets Miereles, Dr Miereles tells the message to some reporter, the reporter writes the story, and somebody translates it to us. Sounds like a cluster fuck to me
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aliasrojo
Your absolutely right, but remember that there are some cell leaders that have I guess you can say more authority than others. One good example is el m1. A lot of people in this blog or better in the us would think that he had less authority or the same as Jesus Pena el 20, el macho prieto and el chino. Turns out in sinaloa everyone knew that he was much more powerful than them(excluding el 20, haven't really heard a lot about him, but still working on it)and I had heard about this but totally went over my head but now it is confirmed that he infact had more authority than them.
Now when it comes to the leaders I myself strongly believe that el mayo takes orders from el azul and stated why I think this in my previous comments. Now I had heard rumors before and still(friends and family from sinaloa) do that el mayo is infact above el chapo. Now with this interview I'm convinced he is. I'll have to do a bit more digging.
Now about the interview I don't think el mayo would send this person to see Dr. Mireles and tell him that he's el chapos father and run the risk of being spilled to the media with all the controversy going on around the docter. I just think that as the experienced drug Lord that he is would do such a thing to affect his relationship with el chapo. If you ask me if they are the same level it would be disrespectful to el chapo.
Anyways my friend, we'll have to wait and see.
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Bjeff
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I wouldn't put too much emphasize on an errand boy glorifying his boss. It does not prove a thing.
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aliasrojo
You're right it doesn't prove a thing, but I take everything into consideration. Like I said its specultaion on my behalf and It just motivates me to dig in a bit more. He's an errand boy for one of mexicos most wanted and I like to think that in an organization this powerful saying such thing can cost you your life especially involving the sinaloa cartel. I really like that quote from el pariente and I think it applies in this situation. "La palabra es plata, el silencio es oro".
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Bjeff
And as wanna-be journalists we gotta add "La palabra es plata, el silencio es oro; impresión es dinamita" (Quote: Brian Aldiss)
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El Plata
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I agree with you that El Azul is much much more important then people realize, but he does go to war. It was El Azul who pushed the federation to start the war in Nuevo Laredo back in 2002. At that point the federation had the support of the government, especially from the AFI led by Genaro Garcia Luna. El Azul was tired of paying taxes to Osiel and did not agree with Los Zetas ways. At that point no cartel had ever declared war on the gulf cartel. The federation sent La Barbie to N.L. With El Barbas working from Monterry. I believe a meeting was held in Monterry where Azul convinced Mayo, Chapo, the BL brothers, Nacho, and Viceroy to go to war for the Nuevo Laredo plaza.
El que a cuchillo mata, a cuchillo muere.
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aliasrojo
El azul also convinced the federation into the assassination of Rodolfo carrillo fuentes alias el Nino de oro which broke the peace treaty between the federation and el cartel de Juarez at a meeting which el mayo, el chapo, el barbas, el nachitio and a couple of other chiefs attended including el azul.
If the golfo incident is true we just might have backed up the theory that in fact el azul is the one on top of the sinaloa cartel.
Niceee... Lol.
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