El Chapo’s Trial Post/Updates

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J
I tend to agree, though there would be a valid concern that they would overwhelmingly favor the prosecution.
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leChef
@J: In several European countries, wherein bench trials have taken over in recent years, evidence suggests otherwise. There are less people in prison after court system changes and pre-debate had the same concerns you raise.

The main problem is that laymen are not technically equipped in what the law actually says and are moved emotionally, thus failing their duty.

I just followed a case in Europe, which was actually pretty hilarious, where a policeman was indicted for corruption and for aiding a drug trafficker. He would receive money indirectly and other services from the drug trafficker while sending coded messages whenever it was safe or not to cross over. The jury found him guilty on the count of corruption, but not for aiding and abetting a drug trafficker, which is just not technically possible.
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Had a favor to ask see if anyone can help me or guide me in the right direction. This morning i seen the interview/press confrence jose luis Gonzalez attorney of chapo guzman had about giving AMLO president of Mexico the letter from chapos mother Consuelo Loera. In that Confress they threw more allegations and if I heard correct had evidence or proof of giving EPN 185 million $ and how much vehicles were used and who and where they gave it to. But now its erased n video has been edited n cut without that statement. I wasnt sure if it was about the case in NYC n allegations by informant or they themselves had it. Was in break at work and when I tried to go back n watch it again it said video has been deleted.  Heres pieces that they have used of confress



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El17
I was thinking about Mica's comments about Chapo's defense. And how bad it really was.  Now I think I know why.  They didn't have one expert witness.  They must have thought going up against that much evidence would be like burning money.

I wonder if they knew they were going to lose and he is saving his resources for the appeal process.  That would be smart. Instead of going toe to toe w the government and their insane amounts of evidence they had from witnesses,  to 1.5mil texts.  They had the guy's accountant, mistress, hitman,  suppliers,  distributors, business partners not 1 but 2 sons, same partners brother, ex partner, and IT guy all testifying against him also.  Everyone took a deal except him.

Talk bout overkill.
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elgordo
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El Chapo's lawyers just filed a motion stating their intent to seek a new trial. Story coming soon @vicenews. https://t.co/BVy42o7u5q
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Chivis
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i was sent the letter and already have a post up.

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2019/02/el-chapo-trial-chapo-letter-to-court.html

I have been speaking with the defense.  to file on grounds of jury misconduct requires extensive research of case law.  They have begun that process, but even with the staff of 3 powerhouse attys 15 days wont cut it so they ask for 30  my email from defense says this :

Because the Rules of Criminal Procedure require a motion for a new trial to be filed within 14 days of the verdict, this letter simply requests 30 days to file the motion.

Balarezo has been back to NYC since this broke, his office is in DC
 
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Chivis
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"valid concern"?  jury misconduct is more than that..no matter what the juror said about the 5 others, throw that out and you are still stuck with his confession

 
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Valid concern that if hypothetically the US or any country, did away with the jury system, and used a panel of judges or similar concept, that said panel would overwhelmingly side with the prosecution.  
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Being housed in general population was a big concern for Chapo before being extradited. But do you think he’d really stop networking and doing business if he was? Every inmate he came in contact with would try to make a connection with him. And with life to do what would be the deterrent for him to not do it? At his age a 30 year sentence is life. Everyone that’s been around him for his entire life has been there because he’s had money. Think he’d just all of a sudden fly straight? To me that is a threat to others.
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Mica
EcHIloc2019 wrote
Being housed in general population was a big concern for Chapo before being extradited. But do you think he’d really stop networking and doing business if he was? Every inmate he came in contact with would try to make a connection with him. And with life to do what would be the deterrent for him to not do it? At his age a 30 year sentence is life. Everyone that’s been around him for his entire life has been there because he’s had money. Think he’d just all of a sudden fly straight? To me that is a threat to others.
Chapo can't just pick up the phone and call a lawyer to then get in touch with Ivan because a cellie wants 25 keys.  
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