Dr. Mireles Kicked out of AD's??

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deelucky1
Is anybody in Michoacan right now I was there last week I saw no guns on the AD's  
777 wrote
http://www.am.com.mx/notareforma/37405

"Sin embargo, autodefensas de Tepalcatepec afirmaron que el acuerdo fue tomado solamente por integrantes del movimiento en La Huacana y Buenavista Tomatlán."

- AD's from Tepalcatepec state that the agreement was only signed by the AD's from La Huacana and Buenavista Tomatlán.



"El doctor Mireles está en este momento reunido con 34 de los 36 municipios levantados (en armas) para definir acuerdos relacionados con la campaña de desarme y desmovilización que vence el día 10 (de mayo)", comentó Talía Vázquez Alatorre, colaboradora del movimiento de autodefensas."

- A Mireles spokesperson says the DR. is in a meeting with 34 of 36 municipal AD leaders discussing the "disarmament" agreements.





IDK this shit is ridiculous... El Americano's signature is there. And Mireles says he's with Americano?

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Chivis
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I stand by what I wrote...ALL of what I wrote, don't cherry pick

I have no idea who you are but I can guess.

the quote you posted was a reply to what Dr M told me.

if you look at subsequent comments, I said that was HIS belief and that we agreed to disagree.

when I saw the video I knew I was right.  

Read ALL my comment.

 
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Chivis
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do you know how to read?

I said I just saw Americano in the video 2 weeks ago.  I caught the screenshot.

right away I sent to Dr M and that is when I was given better insight as to what was happening.

I have been open and honest, and direct.

If it comes across as snotty to you, perhaps it is because it may not be what you want to hear?

there is nothing in the quote you posted that isn't true.    

I did ask for the interview.



 
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choco
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Thx for the updates info chivis.

I wonder if there is anyway to document that they have been given lime and lemon farms and money?  
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choco
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endthewar   You ask with incredulity how Dr M could "support a guy in a video with Tuta?"

He had not seen the video til last week.... can you not comprehend what Chivis wrote?

And a funny thing about traitors, they don't come up to your face and announce it.  They do things behind your back and pretend to be friends to your face.

There is a lot of treachery going on as CTs and Castillo and gang try to hang onto money and power.

Wonder if EPN can pull it off... pretending to fight the organized crime, even tho he is still a part of it?
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1992dude
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OMG CHIVIS!! I KNEW IT!! I ALWAYS KNEW THAT MIDGET SMURF AND POCHO AMERICANO WERE CROOKS. JESUS H CHRIST WHAT A TWIST SERIOUSLY. I hope both of them get detained! I never wish death on nobody but I do hope they get what's coming to them. I just knew it by looking at Smurf and Americano that they were crooks. They come off as freakin' crooks. Ughhh it pisses me off how some people have no honor and are such roach-like that they'll slime their way into something just to benefit themselves!!!! I knew it Chivis I knew it that those two bastards were crooks.

How many people does Americano have under his control? 300? How about that midget Smurf? I hope this gets out. I'm gonna start spreading that photo of Americano ASAP. May God Bless Dr. Mireles and may he triumph against those greedy no-honor cockroach evil bastards. Have any idea what's gonna happen? What pisses me off more is all these people in this forum trying to discredit and crucify Dr. M just for having a relationship with a 17 year old girl. Dejalo que se disfrute no mamen miren por todo lo que esta pasando y ala mejor sera su ultimo ano y aqui la gente contra el!!!
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choco
Great idea castle.... I don't know anyone to share El Americano's photo with... but it DEFINITELY NEEDS TO GO VIRAL.

Chivis... you have so many contacts... now that they've pulled this coup, I think it's time for it to be sent to every news outlet in Mexico...

Including most especially Arestigui!!!
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Chivis
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ok  I have some information I just received.  Problem is I am going into another hot area today and don't think I will have much computer access, darn it!

I am trying to clarify an important part of the info I got.

I have permission to share this:

It is not CT it is Los Viagras that the Buenavista group joined, with Smurf and commander 5 (Alberto Gutierrez ) as leaders.  I was not told if Americano was a leader also.  this was in an arrangement with Castillo, both sides have one agenda, to get rid of the troublemaker/big mouth Dr Mireles.  They could not shut him up.

Dr Mireles got wind of the Buenavista conspiracy through BV people.  So he went to DF and a round of TV interviews to make it clear that Castillo is making things worse.  He met with activists leaders like the poet Javier sicilia and the migrant activist father Alejandro Solalinde for advise.  Both are great supporters of Mireles.  It was then they thought of sending a video message to EPN, but in the message (there are two parts) the attack was towards Castillo.  

So the wheels began rolling to create the document and oust Mireles, but be clear, it is only ONE municipio we are talking about, BV.  Those signatures were not the leaders.  and only about 1/3 of BV signed it.  but it was at least something they could give the public.

However, I am trying to clarify if it was to oust Mireles as the spokesman of the Rurales or AUC.  It indicates it is Rurales and office of the commissioner as in a liaison to the public and commissioner.  I think that is what is meant.  I will try and clarify that sometime today.

This commander 5 is a new name to me, if any of you know of him please weigh in.  But he is now the self appointed official spokesman when Smurf is not available.  

I remember when Hipolito was "taken to safety" via Blackhawk, never to be seen again, and people were reporting that Americano had a convoy of viagras that came to BV.  

It is all tying together.  Viagras and CJNG have been in battle along areas along the gro/mich border.  and it was CJNG that recently tried to take Huetamo after AD liberated it from viagras.  Viagras have been using AD shirts to confuse.  ct also but it appears Viagra has the protection of smurf etc.

that's all I have for now.  only half my questions were answered so far.  but it is very clear, Castillo, who always hated Mireles, and the viagras will stop at nothing to do away with Dr Mireles.  I don't see how he can win against them because of the May 10th date looming but one never knows.
 
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Chivis
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I am going to try and stop and write something today.  I am still getting info.  but limited in access to computer.  

I will put the foto of Americano on the post
 
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777
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Smurf Interviewed by Televisa


Brief Summary of Comments Made


First and foremost, he says he was not present at the vote. Smurf says the vote took place in Coalcoman. 33 municipalities were represented at the meeting. Says he too can be dismissed as spokesman. The council holds the authority to do so. Papa Smurf insinuates that he too can be dismissed in the next meeting. He says the council urged him to make the news public. He says the council explained to him that they have rules. What can be said and not to the public is agreed upon by everyone present, before leaving the meetings. Those rules can not be broken. Says he can't go off and say things he is not supposed to say. The DR violated said rules and that was the decision of the council. The accident also came up in the meeting. They say maybe the head injuries played a role in the DR's behavior. Says all agreements made with GOb are still valid. They are to meet with federal representatives today. They are doing all that they have to to be "legalized" and are ready to enlist into the government organizations.


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Itzli
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I do not want to sound rude, but no one should be surprised about the whole deal with "El Americano". It has been pointed out for quite some time.

For instance, in the thread New La TUTA video jlopez stated:

Since Wey is doing the translation, I will translate the text that appears at the beginning. It is very difficult to read, but this is what I got:

Text:
"The one you will see on the screen is "Carlos", the leader of the criminal group known as "Los Viagras."

He went with them after they would not allow him to carry out robberies and kidnappings. He got together with Jose Alvarado Robledo, "El Humillo."

They, together with "El Americano", are the ones responsible for manipulating the community police.

He is the brother of all the rest of the Viagras, owners of drug laboratories in Guerrero.

In addition to being the main cause of the wave of kidnappings that are taking place in Michoacan.

He's the one who robbed cashiers two years ago in Zamora, Uruapan, Morelia, Lazaro Cardenas.

In itself, the No. 1 cause of all the crime that is being experienced in the country.

And here is more evidence brought with the objective of stopping their illegal activities completely."

 [This last was illegible but Tex put up a clearer copy. Thanks, Tex. jlopez]

The video, as Wey mentions, is of Tuta instructing "Carlos" to do whatever it takes to take out the individuals who went to Guadalajara to talk to Mencho. Very poor recording.  
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777
Itzli is right. Plenty of AD "leaders" have been accused of being affiliated with cartels at one point or another. To what extent has always been the question. Papa Pitufo said in his Adela interview that he has no problem with narco traffickers, admitting he knew of Pollo's involvement. He despises those that go after legitimate business owners and innocent people. Sound familiar? It should, that's what every cartel seems to try to present themselves as.

Americano
Abuelo
Pollo
Dr. Mireles
 
The list goes on... All have been accused of being narcos. I always found the flip-flopping frustrating. Mireles himself defended all the above in interviews. Now they are evil?

I respect what they accomplished. They proved that the government was always capable of detaining or killing Templar leadership and only decided to move their ass after the AD's came into the picture.

Are they good people? C'mon man these guys are killers. Most are ex-cartel, deported criminals, you name it....

The only innocent people in Michoacan are the helpless non-gun-owners! THEY ARE THE VICTIMS HERE.

Let's try to forget about betrayals because at he end of the day there isn't gonna be any "winners" or good people left, the way things are going.


 
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Chivis
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I can't spend more time for a few hours but I wanted to give some info.

On the document that magician signed the "agreed" represents people who refused to sign or attend the meeting.  all are from the same city, not those various cities represented.  Dr M is leader of Tepalcatepec, not Beto.

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and more importantly all those who signed were not leaders, they are all viagras in BV.

the most glaring sign is ("El Gordo") Nicholas Sierra Santana signed for Apatzingán. Not only is Apatzingán Fr Goyo's Sierra Santana is one of the Santana brothers and leader of viagras.

I can't believe he signed, it shows how this group has no fear to do anything.

I know there is a lot out there, but looking at the links Pepe posted they are all from Commander 5 and Smurf.  hardly an investigative press report.  They need to interview the true leaders of the communities not BV people posing.

here is the document:



 
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choco
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Mireles defended americano and smurf because they were lying to him to his face but stabbing him in the back while making deals with the criminaos and castillo.

Mireles did not know of the lies... Smurf has obviously been lying since january during the attemped first coup.  As chivis says, it all came to light in the past week with the letter smurf signed, the pic of ameticano with tutass, and this second coup attempt.

Chivis told M of her doubts about americano for a while now.

But just think of all the things he is dealing with... He returned still in a lot of pain, broken ribs, broken vertebrae, broken eye socket. In a lot of pain from the screws.

Then having to step back in to a situation that was already starting to get fucked up... Hipolita, americano.... Deals smurf had made... The guy had a lot on his plate.

These guys were clever traitors, they knew just what to do. Let's hope they don't get away with it.
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Chivis
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I don't know what will happen but I wanted to share some info given to me.  I wish I had more time to translate and post but I need to concentrate on mainboard where the huge majority of readers go...

Here is from the meeting in DF of the activists published today http://m.reporteindigo.com/nota.php?id=65215

and the foto of those at the meeting it is in the Reporte indigo article
 
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choco
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Holy crap... Hopefully one of the "news" sources will pick up on that.

It's time for Mireles to give another interview.

ps... I wonder if los viagras are just a front for tutass since americano was in the video with him?
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Chivis
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no, Americano is not CT he has always been connected to Viagras.

tuta was giving carlos an ultimatum they were not together.  viagras are the first and only splinter CT group.
 
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