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Mica
Mica - I thought this might have been from the Onion, but it's genuine.

NEW YORK, June 26 (Reuters) - A lawyer for Joaquin Guzman, the Mexican drug lord known as "El Chapo", said Tuesday that he believed U.S. prosecutors had evidence that his client was a mere "lieutenant" in Sinaloa Cartel, not a leader as prosecutors claim.

Lawyer Eduardo Balarezo said at a hearing in Brooklyn federal court that prosecutors had disclosed evidence of statements suggesting Guzman, widely seen as the one-time leader of the international drug trafficking organization, in fact played a lesser role. He said prosecutors should be required to turn over the identities of the people who made those statements.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Andrea Goldbarg, one of the prosecutors, said Guzman's lawyers had not shown that the information would be material to the defense.

Balarezo said he would make a filing under seal with more information about Guzman's planned defense so that U.S. District Judge Brian Cogan could rule on the issue.

Balarezo also argued that the trial, expected to take place later this year, should be moved from Brooklyn to Manhattan, where Guzman is being held, a motion he first made in a court filing in May. He said the heavily guarded motorcade used to transport Guzman across the Brooklyn Bridge would prejudice jurors against Guzman by suggesting that he is dangerous.

Cogan did not rule on that request.

Guzman, 61, has been held in solitary confinement since he was extradited to the United States from Mexico in January 2017.

Mexican authorities captured Guzman and an associate in January 2016 by pulling over a Ford Focus they had stolen, after Guzman had fled through tunnels and drains from a raid on a safe house in northwest Mexico.

Six months earlier, Guzman had escaped through a tunnel from a high-security Mexican prison. (Reporting By Brendan Pierson in New York Editing by Susan Thomas)
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Cuidado
They dont tunnel out "lieutenants" out of Altiplano. lmao
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Chivis
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FYI  I took my comments down....



I took mine down because I was asked to do so by a friend.  He asked I only take one down, but I decided to take all of mine down.  Mainly because I don't think readers were understanding what I was reporting so, i thought I would just allow you to discuss among yourselves.

I intended to get a good conversation going, since the information is not from the defense or the defendant.  It is from prosecutors.  and cooperative witnesses,  who independently testified to this information.  IMO there is one of two scenarios why.  and it was that line of conversation I thought would be good to cultivate.  NOT if or IF NOT it is true.  The "why" to me is much more interesting.

When  person deletes their comment so goes any replies.  
 
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el Jesse James
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I was wondering where my comment(s) went..

Yall are right tho. HOW FCKN STUPID COULD YOU BE CHAPO????!!!!!! Jesus Christ! Which IMO supports Zambada/Esparragoza holding the reins and truly running things. IMO it also seems Chapo made progressively less thought out(outright dumber) decisions as time went on, along with apparently having less hunger so to speak as time went on, as well. I mentioned before: Chapo had fire in his eyes in those old (1993? 1994?) photos from prison. Compared to how he looked in the vid. Hmm how can I say this.. no hunger, no fire in his eyes. Just a overly comfortable/satisfied, somewhat dumb(dumber than before atleast?) aging King(or shall we now more accurately say Hand of The King/Kings). No hunger anymore. Already felt he accomplished more than should be possible and now wants to stupidly capitalize on his fame and image as "The Last Narco".  

I think it was you J who said something along the lines of "DEA/US Gov't disagrees with you :) " in reply to me when I said as much a good while back.

Chapo had big time ambition. BIG TIME! ... at a certain point. But toward the end, I think he didn't have much ambition left, if any. Again, by the end, IMO he was TOO satisfied and wanted to, at that point, capitalize as much as possible on his image/fame.

 With that said I remember the article on Chapo's former pilot in which he told several stories - main ones I remember is how much Chapo looked up to and admired Escobar. The other one I remember is how the pilot said in essence Chapo was super respectful...on the verge of intimidated by Mayo. I'm sure I aint quite remembering correctly this specific part - but to sum up what I remember - the pilot specifically said something along the lines of Chapo freezing up still as a statue and his face turning whiter than a ghost when he heard Mayo's helicopter was gonna be touching down soon( on Chapo's ranch I'm pretty sure??).

So IMO Chapo was the ambitious General leading the charge against CDS's various enemigos. Azul/Zambada were the President/King and Vice President/Prime Minister respectively - though certainly can be very up for debate as to which occupied which role or even possibly were equals. Bearing in mind now, this is a GIGANTIC generalization(!!!). The true relationships Im 100% positive were FAR more complex, especially considering I aint making a single mention of the other past/present heavies w/in CDS. I just dont see Chapo as ever having been quite the equal of Zambada and Esparragoza... They were big time bosses before Chapo was - especially in the case of Azul.

Also Keep in mind I know each had factions and what not.. so again, I know that the above is massive generalizing..



Thoughts anybody??
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Chivis
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Jesse..

I am a little paranoid because everything came down today but I sent a message to your email



 
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Mica
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@Jesse
I keep coming back to the Mayo interview with the old reporter and that picture of the two.  Everyone is Monday morning QB the scenario today that Chapo was just a simpleton.  

If Mayo is all of a sudden the big chess player, why did he give that interview?  What was his motive?

The look that you reference with Chapo being hungry to gazed and satisfied...  That’s a look of a man on the run for that long.  
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Why do people give Azul so much credit when their is so little known about him?   People just love to say "Azul runs it all" with no evidence or facts to back it up.  I keep going back to the barbie and numerous high ranking zeta interviews while incarcerated where they all blame Chapo for all the problems happening in their plazas.  Also mayos interview with proceso where he speaks of Chapo like a best friend he calls him his close compadre etc.  I didnt hear anything about Azul?  These govt papers on main page sounds like hearsay to me not govt factual evidence.
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exactly, i had to go back over a decade to research anything and found little.  I think that his faked death sort of makes sense now, if one believes the governments investigation results from 1999

as for Mayo's interview with julio, he did it to establish what it wanted established.  no other reason to do it.
It is a careful calculation, tell them what you want them to believe....

I will say on mainboard readers, especially those in sinaloa where my family is, always has said Mayo was leader and azul second i charge.  and now they are getting on me because i questioned it all these years and I said I still need to know the context from which the evidence lies.  DEA?  whatever, I need to know.

and the defense is demanding to know as well.  This will not get him off, but it could help determining a more favorable prison environment.   He will get life IMO.  and deserves it.
 
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Any support for this theory:

The prosecution got enough evidence to put Chapo away for life, even if they argue for the conflicting evidence that he was just an underling in the Sinaloa Federation. Such reasoning opens up the possibility of going much harder after Mayo and pressuring the Mexican authorities to prioritize a new number one target.

@Chivis: Will we ever know the details behind the various information included in these 4-23 items? Will such info be revealed in the trial?
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defense has asked for context to all that has been offered as evidence but unless there is a glitch we will not know what it is until trial and after.

The fact that this evidence was accidentally revealed is the only reason we are able to see it.  it won't happen again, documents are going to be handled the old way which is fool proof...
 
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as did i. for the first part about being equal. Yes the people love him, but I have heard for years mayo is premier leader not chapo.  and that has been true says the government for 17 years at least.

 the U.S. government has evidence which is supported evidence that mayo is the leader and to some extent azul.  for me that explains why he faked his death.

you can see in my MB post what evidence was revealed but now sealed.  I don't think anyone else had it before BB posted.. but it states chapo is a figure heads to take any heat off chapo.

like you i do research and give info, what you want to do with this solid piece of evidence that the public is not suppose to have.....that is up to everyone.  as long as there is civility, i have no issue.  

 
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leChef
@Chivis: So we will absolutely know this info during the trial or after? That will be interesting to know the validity and background on the info they got.

I definitely read your MB post, and it was more a question to that, I should have made that clear. So if I understand correctly, the only reason the defense knows this info is that there was a glitch from the prosecution, or was it the prosecution who took the initiative and gave it to defense?
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What good would it have done Mayo to tell proceso him and Chapo are compadres and he talks to him all the time?  The law was already hot on Chapos trail that would not have helped Mayo at all, what was the point of telling them that?  
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Chivis
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yes, but let me check with the legal mind to be sure..

ok I am sorry for the confusion.

here is what went down.

for months chapos defense has asked of the government to send them "all brady material"  or material that is exculpatory, or in other words evidence that could help chapo.

finally they sent a portion.  in that group was 41 or 42 pieces of material that would seem to go against the government charge that he is the premier leader.  they charged him knowing they were sitting on evidence that says something completely different.

in a letter to the government through the court, the defense expressed how pissed off they are that the government withheld this evidence.  furthermore, that they listed the evidence but did not place it in context.  

did you read the document when I posted it?  the letter listed 9 items about who is top leader going back to 1999.  BUT the letter had these redacted so they appeared to be blacked out.

a reader figured out you can reveal the censored info that is blacken out.  and it worked when I did it, I copied the evidence and removed my document from the post and from my scribd page.

and I contacted those that needed to know.  

evidently there was a glitch in the system when uploading.  the court then sealed the letter and now the public/journalists can't view it.

I thought about it for a day, and decided I would go ahead with what was  disclosed.  the 9 pieces of evidence of who is leader.

and that is what you see on main page.

so to answer your question the defense was sent the list, but only for their eyes and those of the court.  IT WAS US that should not have seen it.  but too late and I felt a duty to BB followers, I did not gain the material by illegal means, so I am good with it.


 
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Chivis
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I meant did you read the document aka the letter when i had it posted before i took it down? this is what it looked like before a couple of computer moves

 
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deelucky1
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You cannot compare Azul with mayo or chapo Azul is upper echelon !azul is not a trafficker he brokers deals with the goverment for all traffickers el azulito is a trafficker.Nobody can move anything without AZUL’s consent .whether gov keeps their word or not  on any  deal it has nothing to do with azul !being a trafficker is super high risk you loose loads no matter what you have to pay back if lost or stolen thats why chapo and mayo went 50/50 on loads .la emboscada in tubutama was not tragedy about who lost lives .it was one of the biggest shipment stolen .azul donsnt fight for plazas !want borrow a 747 talk too azul or a blackhawk for pesky H’s in nayarit.one thing for sure  chapo and mayo where top suppliers but that has nothing to do with if chapo or mayo led.
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